Meeting
City Council · 2017-10-12
City Council meeting
Decisions
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1 motions in all
Split votes
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at least one no
Discussion
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no recording
Residents spoke
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introduced themselves
Agenda items and what happened
Items and outcomes were extracted from the agenda and minutes by Claude (Anthropic); each links to the minutes page. The minutes are authoritative.
| Motion | By | Result | |
|---|---|---|---|
| To adjourn the meeting. | Sam Lentz 2nd Debby Lauret |
✓ Passed | p.4 |
Text extracted from the minutes PDF (scanned pages via OCR). The PDF is the official record.
OREM CITY COUNCIL/PROVO CITY COUNCIL SPECIALJOINT MEETING 56 North State, Orem, Utah October 12,2017 Thismeetingwas for discussion purposes only.No official actionwas taken. CONDUCTING Mayor Richard F. Brunst OREMELECTEDOFFICIALS Councilmembers Debby Lauret, Sam Lentz, Tom Macdonald, and Brent Sumner OREM STAFF Jamie Davison, City Manager; Brenn Bybee, Assistant City Manager; Steven Downs, Assistant to the City Manager; and Donna Weaver, City Recorder Kim Santiago, David Sewell, Dave Harding, Mayor PROVOELECTED OFFICIALS Curtis PROVO STAFF Wayne, Cliff Strachan, Kelsey Zarbock, Cory Newman, ABSENT/EXCUSED David Spencer and Mark Seastrand INVOCATION Orem Councilmember Brent Sumner Mayor Brunst called the meeting to order at 1:10 p.m. Items of Common Interest DISCUSSIONS Illegal Accessory Apartments / Apartments with Too Many Occupants Mr. Sewell said his question came from Dave Knecht and was related to zoning compliance which Provo had made a priority over the last couple of years. He wondered what Orem's problems and solutions were. Mayor Brunst said that Provo probably had more problems with that than Orem did. The City had not yet addressed the issue of Airbnb yet. The biggest issue was illegal apartments. s s z n p o s sa population. The City had been working closely with Utah Valley University (UVU) to identify where students lived and using that information with the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) system. Staff would then meet with property owners. There was a delicate balance between ordinance enforcement and not wanting to kick hapless renters out in the street. Joint Orem City Council/Provo City Council Meeting Minutes - October 12, 2017 (p.1) Ms. Santiago said they had previously estimated that 4,0oo UVU students were living in Provo. She wondered if that had changed. Mr. Davidson said he did not have those numbers in front of him. Mayor Brunst added that the university had purchased property in the southern part of the county and planned to do more online teaching. He indicated that he had children who had looked at some housing with s , e s condition. He then noted that, besides housing, parking was also an issue. Ms. Santiago agreed that some of the approved housing was in awful condition. She said that problems with occupancy had to be addressed before parking could be. The issue in Provo was the frequency of subletting. They were looking at changing the law to require landlords to have a contract with every individual living in a unit. She said Provo was also considering parking Mr. Davidson said Orem was considering UVU having some kind of designation, similar to BYU's approved housing policy. As a public institution, UVU had more limitations, but the goal S ' s n s s s s UVU did not want to play an active role. Mr. Lentz said that at the Utah League of Cities and Towns (ULCT) conference on illegal accessory apartments into compliance. The presenter mentioned that Provo had done an amnesty period for illegal apartments, and Mr. Lentz wondered how that had worked. Mayor Curtis said amnesty was in getting a rental dwelling license but not in an illegal renting situation. Mr. Davidson said some municipalities have recognized rental housing as a commercial use, while Orem has not. He said it would be difficult to say how many actual rental units there were in Orem. The idea of the license would be to inform the City of changes. People were crafty and if their intent was the break the law, they would find ways to do so. Airbnb Mayor Brunst asked about Airbnb units, and Mayor Curtis said if they continued to grow as in number as they had bee, they could become highly invasive to neighborhoods. The ULCT was working on ways to address it, perhaps by allowing them only in certain locations. Mayor Curtis said cities were not allowed to find them using the internet. Mr. Hardy said the idea in that was not to punish people for simply advertising. Mr. Davidson said there was a perception that it was only a problem in a St. George. He recently requested an accounting of how many Orem properties were listed, and the large number was surprising. TinyHomes Joint Orem City Council/Provo City Council Mecting Minutes - Octobcr 12, 2017 (p.2) Mayor Brunst noted that Lehi and Pleasant Grove were considering zoning for "tiny homes."" Ms. Santiago said that would have to be an enforcement issue. Mr. Sewel said it had been approved as an accessory use. Mr. Davidson said some of the issues for tiny homes could become the same for other forms of alternative housing. Need for a Community College Mr. Hardy noted that UVU had once been a trade school. In becoming a university, it seemed to have outgrown that earlier role. He wondered if there was an education need that was no longer being met without a community college in the valley. Mr. Lentz said he was not sure UVU had outgrown its role,as it still had those old programs. Mayor Brunst said UVU was a role model through the country and the world in the way it still included the trades certificated along with the higher degrees. He said he had met with the new president of Utah State University, and she was looking at expanding.their role to include trades in the future. Water Rates Mayor Brunst asked about Provo's water rates. Ms. Santiago said Provo did not have a tiered rate but was on the third year of a five-year plan for water storage. Mr. Sewel said the first three years of the plan had included a large increase which compounded to about 74 percent. Mrs. Lauret asked if there had been pushback from the public, and Ms. Santiago said there had. She noted that new meters were reporting more accurately as well, and the increase had caused some shock for residents. She said that once she explained to residents what the money was being used for, they were not quite so upset. Mayor Curtis said the Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMl) was an amazing tool to help identify where there might be leaks. It was also a good way to let people know how much they were spending to water their lawns. Mr. Hardy noted that residents could receive hourly usage report if they wanted to. Mayor Brunst said he had thought of holding open houses to teach people how to water their lawns and then monitor their usage. Mr. Davidson said that, even with the increase this year, Orem still had much lower rates than other parts of the county and especially in the Salt Lake County. Joint Orem City Council/Provo City Council Mecting Minutes - October 12, 2017 (p.3) Mr. Strachan noted that sometimes people were averse to paying to replumb and rewire sprinkling systemsfor better water because it wasmore expensive than the increased costof the water. SetDateandTimeforNext The next meeting was scheduled for January 18, 2018, at noon in Provo. Adjournment Mr. Lentz moved to adjourn the meeting. Mrs. Lauret seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. Themeeting adjournedat1:04p.m. CORPORATE SEAL Lonna leaner DonnaR.Weaver,CityRecorder Approved:November14,2017 Joint OremCityCouncil/ProvoCityCouncil MeetingMinutes-October12,2017(p.4)