City Council · 2020-03-10

I'm gonna have to side with your wife on that. If we could have everybody's attention, we'll go ahead and start our meeting.

And we appreciate having everybody here. We're going to start with a discussion of the Southwest Orem General Plan Amendment, uh, for 45 minutes. We've got presenter Jason Bench, uh, As our presenter, and so we'll turn it over to you.

Thanks, Mayor. As you are aware, we presented about a month and a half ago. Since then, the LDS Church has applied— as of yesterday, they applied for the rezon for the property. This is their tentative concept plan with the temple next to I-15 and the stake center closer to the Geneva Road corridor with the access coming north-south. And the main access coming off of Geneva Road. That was kind of where we stopped last time, just to see—

Yes.

Make sure the church was moving forward. They are, obviously. And so we're back to have a discussion on the southwest area. This is the current general plan. As you can see, it's low density. This is Geneva Road here, the tracks, I-15. The majority of the center between those, the tracks and I-15, is low density residential. The autistic school, which was built in the county, came in and appealed. The majority of that is either rural density or low-density residential with light industrial west of Geneva Road. With the potential— this is the corridor that's coming through down to Provo High School, which is down here. So that was slated originally as commercial.

Which one is the temple piece?

Temple piece is the one that says rural.

That's what I thought.

Thank you.

Rural density residents. That portion is still in the county, owned by the Klinger family. And then this is owned by the Klingers as well.

It's not—

was not annexed at the time the Southwest Area was annexed. I did get a phone call from, uh, Mr. Schofield today, basically stating that they're not currently interested in moving forth any roads or anything like that. I just want to be clear that—

Even though the temple shows a road going to their piece, they have no interest in taking it through?

Not currently. Right, right, right. They are interested in keeping it low-density residential. We'll come around and pass that along. As part of the Southwest area, this service area, Southwest service area, which is the impact fee study, the area that's included in the density, which I'll talk about, the 1,248 ERUs, equivalent residential units, is all this area that you see in the cross-hatched area. So although this was the area that was annexed and rezoned, As you can look, there are other areas, like over here, which is included in the service area but wasn't annexed at the time. So that was accommodated for you for when that ever gets annexed.

And how much acreage is in that area?

You caught me on that one.

I'm sorry.

It's several hundred.

Is it?

Okay.

Jason, I'm sorry, is that area—

does that include any of the ERUs we're talking about?

Yes. It does. So the 1248 basically encompasses anything that you see in the process area.

At what level? Low density?

Low density. Yeah. So the plan that was chosen by the council in 2005— '15, sorry— was the low density option, which is—

And low density is?

About 4 units an acre. Okay.

R-8, basically.

And the M-1 zone accommodates that same density with the The fixture counts and things, that they're similar in density. So that's where we got to the 1,248. The question before you today, I guess, we touched on last, is do we want to look at doing something different now that the temple site's coming in, now that more interest is coming down to that southwest area? Do we want to do something other than keeping it status quo? That's why we're here tonight. We're not pushing one way or the other. We're just simply here trying to—

Get the facts.

How many units did they free up by putting a temple there instead of X homes?

So that was not part of this, that was already part of the city. Thank you.

So it didn't have any impact?

No.

Well, it does still service to the—

yeah, we would have had water and sewer to all of that area. So how much less demand is it on our system?

All I can say is that about 10 years ago they did come in for a double church site and It's been sitting vacant for that many years, so I think it's always been intended to do something with it.

So we didn't assume that 50 homes would go in there anyway?

No.

When we were mapping out how much water and sewer we could deliver or take?

It was about 15 years ago, yeah. So it's always been assumed to be some type of church. Thank you.

So Jason, you're showing Concept A, which relates to the parkway going in there?

Yes. We know that this eventually will be built, whether that's 5 or 10 years, that parkway will be coming in. Whether or not this terminates into that, I don't know, as far as Geneva Road goes, but this is in the plan to come through. The question is, this is the current plan. This is the one option to allow some type of increased density, whether that's a PRD up to a 7-unit type.

So the gray area is industrial, light industrial?

Right. The option would be, this is the Mansell piece that's already under construction. Keep that light industrial and then allow these 2 that were already slated for low density to go to a little higher density if the property owner chooses to come in through a rezone for a PRD, like a 7-unit, 20-unit.

So could we look at the idea of changing the light industrial where those roads are coming together?

So option B—

before you jump from there, if I may, Mayor, you have the Yellowish, not yellow, more, I don't know, the MDR. You said that's currently under construction?

That's the PD zone that was kind of the instigator of this whole—

And he's got 150 units in there.

And did we waive— what was it before as a current? What was that gray area over there? What'd it say in the current? I can't see it.

It's light industrial.

So we already approved a portion to go from light industrial to medium density?

Yes.

Yeah, there's already 150 units built there.

Okay. And if you recall, recently this site here was rezoned by the city council to go into M-1. That was a couple years ago. And M-1 is?

Light industrial.

Light industrial. Okay, thank you.

Now, wasn't it Ryan McDougall?

What was his name?

Yeah, Ryan McDougall.

Oh, there you are. Remind me which piece is his.

So Ryan McDougall, I think it's this.

This area here?

Yes, that's right. Well, it's further north.

It's the one just south of Klinger.

Oh, this piece?

That piece, yeah.

So Klinger's and then the other directly south.

And if you remember, he wanted to do high density, which we turned down last year.

Right.

To stay low density. Um, and I believe that low density works for you right now. Is that right?

Um, I don't know what low density means. R-4.

R-4?

4 years per acre.

No, no, that's not what we're looking for.

You wanted 7.

We wanted 7.

We were hoping to do— well, I think, and Jason, I think, was going to get to this, but we were hoping to maybe do a special PRD for this area that would allow us to do maybe up to 8 units to the acre. So yeah, so we'll get to that in just a second. So the other option— so we have basically 3 options. One is to keep it the way it is. 2 is to have some type of hybrid with, uh, have some PRDs. The other one is, because now we're going to look at having these major intersections with Can you remember what's the common—

Lakeview Parkway.

Lakeview and Geneva Road. We thought maybe it's an option to do some type of commercial or mixed-use type of element here to capture some of that retail. We've got the Provo Hardware Store.

So we've had, we've had some— our economic development staff has had some conversations with some real estate professionals, and their suggestion is That this is an area that is ripe for commercial opportunity.

Light industrial?

No.

Commercial.

So grocery stores?

Anything like a grocery store or—

And you actually have one that's trying to move forward with that with a C-STAR in the bottom corner there.

So part of that would be to take that corner and maybe consider looking at that to be something other than apartments.

Right.

So obviously if the nature of the density changes, Then the attractiveness of a commercial area also increases. So if you increase the density, there's a greater probability that a commercial type use will locate in that area.

Jason, but a PRD is still considered low density, if I remember correctly, right?

So even—

Part of the general plan, it is, yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

So what our thought would be, and to Ryan's point, is that we would actually come back, if the council wants to move We would come back and actually not only do a general plan amendment or go through the process to bring it back to the council, but we'd also propose some type of text amendment to do a unique PRD zone for this area. So we'd call it the Light LRD Southwest. For the whole area? For this specific area.

Okay.

And keep that commercial, which could be used.

And change that to commercial in the middle? From light industrial?

This one here, yes.

Jason, to give the council kind of a frame of reference, are there projects that are 7 to 8 units to the acre that you could reference that would give them that?

The Abbey Row that we just approved up on the Wood Perfect property, that's about a 6-unit project.

Isn't Penny Lane about the same?

Penny Lane's about that. There's a lady behind you.

I just was going to say, with reference to the retail, particularly for a grocery store, typically those retailers want about 20,000 residents in the immediate area to put in a grocery store of any decent size, just so you know.

Okay, so 1,700 hookups, we don't have room for 20,000 people.

All right, so that brings us to the next question. So with these different concepts, remember, this is the ERUs are worth— The area that was actually brought into the city represents 956 of those. The other remainder is part that hasn't been annexed into the city yet, but we still need to account for those developments. Option A, 1,644. Option B, 1,756. Those are the ERUs that would be increased if we go to that type of development. And then of course that would bring in different issues with Having to reanalyze the impact fee studies that we've done, the different fees that would be associated with that as far as impact fee. Revised lift stations, as you recall, the majority of this area lifts into, well, is fed into 2 lift stations and lifted into the—

So you don't necessarily need additional piping or capacity that way, just the lift stations?

So my understanding is the size of the pipe is Beats the capacity, or allows for that capacity. It's the 2 lift stations that the city owns in Springwater that need to be upgraded.

And potentially treatment facilities.

To clarify, there are some gravity lines between Geneva Road and the plant that need to be upgraded, but the new line—

And is there any kind of a general—

Can you finish it?

But the new line what?

Has capacity in Geneva Road.

Is there any kind of general ballpark idea how much extra money this is Not at this time.

Not till you do that study. How does— if we change this, how's Mansell? I mean, he's— So if we change it, he's going to get more development, more density in the area, and get paid back faster. Is he okay with that? I think he's okay with more density because obviously he's going to get reimbursed sooner than having to wait until the rest of development comes. I don't think he—

But the other increased cost we would bear, not Mansell.

That, or if we decide to allow— let's say we allow Ryan McDougall to come in and upgrade his to a PRD that's 8 units, then we could do some type of development agreement with him to have him bear his share of the cost of the lift stations or any other pertinent related to that development. And any other one that comes in, we could Sure. Kind of like we did with Penn South. So I guess the question tonight really is just to see whether or not the council wants to go down that direction. If we do, the staff would consider possibly looking at requiring different types of trail systems, whether that's on Geneva Road, whether we do a rail trail next to the commuter rail, or whether we do some type of trail on that. So if we open that up again, we will be looking at other things to bring back to the council. So on the analysis we want to do, are we also going to do the analysis of, let's say, things change and that property becomes Orem West? Do we have the capacity to— with our— We would—

I would recommend that we do so.

Absolutely.

So that was my whole point from the last time too. Yeah. So you're talking about this part that's not part of—

Correct.

The agricultural use.

And we've already accounted for it We have not.

We've told these people, because we asked them to come in originally, they said no. We basically informed them that if and when they do come in, they would run full cost of attaching to our system.

But we, we have met. We met with them 2 weeks ago, and they are reevaluating the future of their properties. I know Jason talked to one of them today, but they did share with us it's going to be difficult to farm down here.

Obviously with the temple and other housing coming in, we need to plan for them to develop at some point or remain open space. One of the members of the Johnson family that owns the dairy farm there, 19 acres, and they've been talking to the city a little bit. They've mentioned to me that their wells are not as abundant as they used to be because Central Utah Water Having sunk some 1,500-1,900-foot wells up in the Vineyard Geneva area is sucking the aquifer where the aquifer now is is lower and drying up. It's making it harder for the Johnsons to get water. At the same time, the state of Utah has come in and said, "You know, if you own wells, you need to pay more money for these wells." So they're being hit with additional costs for owning the wells from the state, and their wells are not producing like they used to. So they are, you know, they've talked a little bit to the city and they are exploring their options. But I think that where I'm going with that is I think it makes farming in that area for everybody a much tougher program than what it's been in the past. The other question I have is again on that land to the west. You know, if we were to ever annex that in, you know, how we account for that as far as utilities go, etc.

So the thought we had originally was to expand the Complex South so that M-1 type, you know, CM zone, which would be the 4-unit roughly per acre. So that would accommodate with that. So that's the original thought, which is why we did the light industrial on the west.

So you'd be all right then?

I think we would be.

Okay.

But of course we'd have to accommodate the Klinger piece because that was not part of the original ERU calculation. So if we decide to bring that in, that would be a different component. So I guess tonight is just—

So one question, Jason. You had a trail map there. Can you go back to the trail map real quick?

So as part of our discussion is we would like to encourage Require developers to actually put in different types of trails so we can have some interconnectivity between there and also Longstreet Road.

So would you put a trail in on the east side of the church temple property?

What we've talked about is this proposed rail trail would likely tie in down through the cleaner piece and then tie into sidewalks that feed the temple, not necessarily cross the temple.

So if you look at the temple site, You can easily come up and somehow accommodate and then pick up.

It just shows that arrow and I couldn't tell whether you were trying to go across.

At this point it might be a little too late to require the temporary.

The other thing is you don't have any room there between the railroad tracks and the temporary.

And part of the discussion we've— the ongoing discussions we've had with UDOT, as they continue to grow and expand roads if necessary, there always seems to be a trail component to those projects. So if you look at some of the roads, for example, Pioneer Cross— or Pioneer Crossing, some of these other roads, they've always had at least, maybe not a trail independent of the road, but they've had linear feet that they can dedicate to a trail on the side of the road.

Geneva Road North has a cross-section that includes a Multi-utility trail. We just want to keep that going south.

So we would anticipate that if you were to expand Geneva Road or ultimately Lakeview Parkway were to become a state facility, that would also be part of the conversation, is those trail accesses.

We'd want to make—

if we open up this general plan, we want to make that part of our general plan. Sure.

Yeah, I just wanted to know what you're thinking.

So I guess really you've got 3 options. One, well, obviously more than The 3 we presented tonight is keep it the way it is, look at a possibility of increasing this to maybe a unique PRD that would allow up to 8 units, or— So what's on the north side of the Temple property? Is that multifamily?

Those are condos.

Those are just condos?

Some townhomes, condos, and some— And what's that zoned at? That is a PRD, back in the day when we allowed that type of zoning. We don't currently allow that much density in the PUD. So leave it as is, look at the— this area, so keep the rest of the west the same, look at this as maybe increasing into the special or unique PUD, and then this one, Option C, would be more looking at some commercial to take advantage of these cross-sections with the streets coming in, then also looking at picking that up.

It doesn't mean they all have to develop with that view, Well, with the new knowledge we have that the temple is definitely going at that site, and with the fact that Lakeview Parkway is going to move forward and come up through there, to me— and everybody should voice their opinions— to me, it would seem like this bears re-examination.

And if we go down that road— sorry, Tom— we'll have to open up, obviously, the IFF. And although it will take some time to do that, open the public hearings, public meetings for the general plan and stuff, so there will be some time to do that as well if we go down that road. How much time? It's probably at least 6 months to a year. We'd have to hire someone to do that plan update and see how long that would take. We'd go through the public process as far as the general plan update, get their feedback, write the the ordinance amendment as well, and then probably have to look at the Public Works to look at the lift stations and see how much time that would take to redesign that to meet that.

I think just the impact fee process alone that's noted in code is at least 3 months.

Yes, that's correct. So, so 3 to 9 months.

Yeah, it seems to me that most of the time where a temple is built, single-family homes are what's in high demand, not Multifamily, not high density.

So this seems to be just the opposite of what I would think we would be doing. I would think we wouldn't be thinking about additional density. This, yeah, this simply just opens up the option. It doesn't mean that a developer couldn't come in and say, I just want to do— that's one of the 3 options. We leave it as is and we look at single-family detached higher-end homes, which is typical about around Temple Hills, or we allow an option for a developer to say, Okay, I want to do part single-family, I want to do part attached, and see down that road. That still would require a city council rezone approval. We would basically come up with a— like a PRD now has to come before the council to rezone. You still would have the option to say yes or no. Anything other than the status quo takes time and money from the city council, correct? Yes.

So right now the church is asking— going to be coming in and asking for a rezone of their property, but they're That doesn't really affect what we're talking about here, per se.

It would not be part of the Southwest Area Plan. Still, they're obviously affected by the impact fees citywide.

And already anticipated for the last decade, it sounds like, whether it was 2 churches or church and a temple, same basis.

Temple was a surprise, but some type of church was known.

So the other factor I think that could be important would be with the temple going in there, that, as we've heard, is starting to make people think about changing what their plans are, where they're going forward, what they're going to do. I'd really like to know what some of those people are thinking.

We would too.

Jack?

Well, but I mean, you have seen, for example, some higher density in and around the Provo City Center Temple. There's similar kind of density around the St. George.

Well, Payson's a good example. They've actually The city has actually set up an area for higher density over on the west side, and they put in a complete development plan around the entire temple, and they're moving forward with it. I don't know that we want to follow what they have, but they've taken it and brought it back and looked at the whole program once that temple was put in there.

They do have some 55 and older, yeah, just normal— South Jordan as well, right. It's not unusual to have some mix of high densities, but typically you're seeing the higher-end single-family homes. Anyway, that's just some direction, I guess, is how we want to proceed.

Sure. So Brent, what are your thoughts?

I'm not excited about high density. And that— I think I need more information exactly what's going on with the temple and the people around there before I would want to change what we've already done.

Okay.

Terry, what are your thoughts? Probably thinking the same thing. I'd like to know more about what's going to be west, you know, and some of the ideas with that.

But also, I'd hate to see high density surrounding that temple.

So, by looking at some of the changes, it doesn't mean that we're putting high density around the temple. It just means that we're looking at changes on the overall plan. Maybe some additional commercial, maybe some additional medium density somewhere else. Not high density apartments backing the temple.

But I'd like to know more about the commercial on that.

I'm okay with that, but I do picture Some beautiful homes by that.

I mean, that's going to be a beautiful place. Sure. So let me ask you a question. So part of Ryan's thought was to do more of a townhome type thing. So you'd have attached twin home, but a townhome would have the same unit but it'd have multiple levels. Right now we don't allow that in the PRD. So that would be kind of the southwest, would be something unique like that. The question would be, do we want to have— limit that or just have that as an option and still have to come back to the council, similarly like we did on Centre Street where the council opted to deny that PRD. So they still have the option to approve or deny. The question is, do we want to have certain standards that if they meet them and it meets the intent, that the council would approve them? I guess that's the direction we want to go. If we don't want to go that route, then I don't want to develop an ordinance that's not going to go anywhere.

But if, if we weren't going that route, would you still Look at a different ordinance allowing, for example, medium density where you've got light industrial right now.

So we'd probably look more at the PRD right now, which would allow up to a 7-unit per acre and just keep it as is. And somebody could request a PRD like they can now in a sound— this would be more of allowing a townhouse type thing where you have multiple units or the same unit.

Could you have somebody Want to put in commercial or a PRD housing development where we have light industrial?

That's possible. We could look at that, kind of like a district here. We had this gentleman here that's come in and actually wants to do some type of mixed multifamily type use. I mean, that could be something we could look in this area to do, like a city center district or something.

Jason, wouldn't that be a revision of our general plan anyway?

Because it's zoned light industrial. It might industrialize. In that case, we'd probably actually write a code like we did in the districts that actually would implement over the top, and if they met the standards, they could build whatever met those standards. Versus over here where we— this would be, if you want to build a single-family, you could. If you want to come in for a PRD rezone, you could do that as well.

So I'm not looking at this as saying if we're reexamining it, it means we're allowing high density everywhere around the temple. I'm looking at it like Like, we have light industrial, we have commercial, we have medium-low density, and how does that all fit together now?

Well, our intent is not to promote high-density housing here. Ours is medium to low.

Correct.

So the 7 units or 8 or less on our end, my perspective, is more of a medium to low.

But as Jamie said, if we wanted to change some of the light industrial, some of the area to commercial, Then we would need to do a revision of the plan.

We would, yes. So high density, is that 13 per acre?

What is the height?

I would say high density is probably anything over 8, but you're looking at mostly 16 or higher is high density.

Jason, what is Mansell's project? Do you know what I'm talking about?

It's probably around 6 or 7. It's not that high of a density.

They have stacked units, but overall density, because they have some twin homes and they have So if we had an interest just to see where things would lie, could you go back and say, here's some ideas, some suggestions, whatever, before we go into a full-blown revision?

As far as—

well, these are kind of the options we—

So we have—

we currently have, like those that are in attendance today, we're getting phone calls from From property owners saying, I want to develop property, my property is here, and it's— what I want to do with it is inconsistent with the general plan. So that, to some degree, is why we're having this conversation, to make sure that we can try and align the interests of you as a council with the interests of the property owners.

But I think, like, Brent and Terry are looking at it and saying, we don't want high density. And I agree, but at the same time, some of the light industrial, I don't know that I want that in there any longer with the temple being there. So I would like to see some of that revision looked at and changed.

So would you want us maybe to open up to a neighborhood meeting to see what their thoughts are and come back? Does that kind of start the process?

So the current zoning, if somebody were to come in today and say— do you have a visual of the current zoning?

That's one thing I forgot.

So have we zoned that property light industrial?

So it's general plan light industrial. There's only this portion right here. So this is the PD, this is on M-1, the rest of it is still OS-5, which is the—

Okay, so once we have a designated zone, somebody can come in and say, I want to, I want to take advantage of this zone. And we wouldn't be able to stop them, so to speak, because if they have a light industrial project, And it meets the tenets of the zone, then we would have to permit them to develop.

Sure.

So to some degree, this conversation is us trying to be proactive to say, there are a few property owners that are waiting to see what we're doing. We've told a few, hey, we're not really sure. This temple thing kind of caught us off guard, and we're not really sure that what we once envisioned down here is what ultimately You know, should materialize in the future. So that's why we're having— trying to have this conversation now. If somebody came into the M-1 zone, for example, right there now and said, I have this M-1 project I want to develop consistent with the M-1 zone, we would have to permit them to develop.

And they actually have a site plan already for that.

There is a plan in place. I think it's just on hold right now to see what else we should do.

So what type of business might be in that M-1? Give me an example.

Doesn't have to be the same.

Flex story, flex office type projects.

Office warehouse.

Okay.

So when you have conversations about, for example, homes and residential areas, that— I don't think that is just going to organically grow. We've got to drive it to some degree with an underlying general plan and zoning and the like.

So what these guys have actually applied themselves So they'll be coming forward on their own. They had a neighborhood meeting last week, and this whole neighborhood, their potential buyers, are really uneasy about that. They're really not happy because we've been pushing the fact that this is going to be low density from 2015. Now these guys are coming back and saying, well, now we want commercial. So these guys are now 100% upset with not only the developer but the city of saying, why are you even considering that? Which we're basically not. Now we're going to bring it forward, but just know that that corner is going to be coming before you in a month or so. Right. Independent of what we do.

And one of the things that adds to the whole challenge down there is these landowners on the corner, they're trying to sell their land for the highest and best price they can get out of it. And they're selling it for commercial rates. And the likelihood of it ever being sold for single-family homes is not going to be very high. They're going to just sit on it and sit on it and sit on it until the development pressure builds up and builds up. And yes, we can continue to say no, which we have up to this point, to numerous developers, and— but we can't prevent them from making an application and come forward.

I mean, that makes sense for a C-store and for a gas station there. I mean, because there isn't one in that area.

And to their credit, we have given them some ideas of how we think Maybe it can not impact the neighborhood as much and they've taken our feedback and incorporated it, but they have made that decision to come forward on their own. So that's where we're at right now.

My point of interest, these guys are actually coming in with a site plan. They're kind of on hold because they have to get their water and sewer for these properties. I think they're trying to work with Brian to actually get a cross connection. So until he develops, they're probably not— he's probably not going to be able to get that. The land, you know, gets these quarters, or they do it themselves. So the whole area is kind of in limbo right now until we— until council decides. I mean, this is like the 4th time we've come before you, obviously, to look at that and reconsider. But I guess tonight we just want to get some direction. Do we want to move forward with some preliminary discussions with the neighbors, or do we want to— Jason, just maybe just one thing to kind of help define a little bit better what What you mean by low density versus medium density. Medium density, I mean, a single-family home, you could probably fit 5, up to 5 single-family homes on an acre, conceivably. Roughly, that's probably about max, I'm guessing. But you're saying a PRD could be a little bit more than that, so 6 or 7? So right now they can do up to 7. They can get a bonus if they take out the most Homes, old homes, it could be up to 8, but I have not seen one in the last 15 years that I've been here, 20 years, anybody get over 6 units per acre. It's just difficult to do the roads and everything else. So is medium density approximately 5, 6, 7 an acre, or is low density start at that essentially when a single fam— when you can fit just single family in an acre, is that? I think low density is anywhere Like 4.2, 4.3 units an acre or less is low. Medium is going to be beyond that up to maybe 8, and then anything over that, in my opinion, would probably be encroaching on high density, of course, 16 or higher.

So medium, you could have R— you could have 8 on an acre?

So in the general plan, the R-6, R-6.5 is designated as medium density because you get more units per acre than you do in an R-8. So you're getting—

and an R-8 is low density or medium density?

Low density.

Okay.

So you're getting to 4.5 by an R-6 or 7, which is why it's called high density. So medium density, it just depends on your definition, interpretation of what that means, but high density to me is 16 or above. Medium is going to be in that 8, and then 4 or less is going to be low density. I think that just helps put things in perspective. So, oh, go ahead. I was just thinking here, you know, with the temple going in there, it has changed the, uh, that area down there. And we only have one chance to get this right.

Right.

And, uh, I don't want to reinvent the wheel, but I, I think we need more outside discussion now, uh, what Orem would like to see down there.

So I would agree. I don't know how that— the neighborhood— having a neighborhood meeting would play into that. Um, I'm very much aware of how beneficial it's been in the past. We've had neighborhood meetings, we've learned new things and found different ways, etc. Um, I would love to have a neighborhood meeting. I don't want to put anybody's expectations that what they tell us is what we're forced to do.

So to speak. Well, I think we pretty well know that they don't want high density.

Correct.

Right?

I don't think we're talking about high density.

No, I know.

Yeah, it's—

I don't think high density—

We're talking about medium density.

I don't think high density is part of the situation here. But, you know, do we want to make some of the low industrial in the commercial? Do we want to make it in the medium or low density? And you're right, we want to get it right. And now we kind of know with the development going in what our parameters are. I mean, we have a temple district there now. And so, you know, it'd be interesting too to see what other cities have done around temples, how they've zoned them accordingly.

We're going to do that.

I mean, could we do that? Look at the idea of maybe a neighborhood meeting and get some further information.

Okay.

Whatever—

Present these or any other options they may have, we can come up with that.

I mean, we did the dog park and we found out real quick nobody wanted a dog park next to their property. And we found out when we did the pickleball court complex that they wanted to keep their green space and they didn't want that drug-infested place.

I think, if I may too, Mayor, one of the other issues of discussion in this are the ag easements and the conservation easements that are woven in between these. So, you know, the discussion of, for example, these conservation easements, those will forever remain open space in perpetuity. So even when we have, for example, a 6 let's say, 6-unit-to-the-acre project, with it being directly adjacent to some sort of conservation easement or potentially even an agricultural easement, the agricultural easement can change over time. The conservation easement can never change. So there is that to take into account.

Is that till death do us part?

Till death do us part.

Not just our death.

Perpetuity.

But on those easements, can any of that land be leased a city park?

That would be a question.

If the owners of the Ag Protection Easement remove the easement, which they have the right to do.

No, what about the conservation easement?

Uh, it depends on the owner of the conservation easement. The Nature Conservancy would have to agree to that.

Is that owned by the federal government?

Or who owns that?

It's a private nonprofit, or a nonprofit organization.

They basically buy the development rights, and that's what they—

And they leave it as open space? So you see some of that up, for example, the mouth of the canyons in and around the Draper Temple. Some of those parcels in and around there are in conservation easements. Actually, there's— I think there was some conversation about the mouth of Big or Little Cottonwood Canyon also being in conservation easements. So that in blue, that will always remain open space. Regardless of the conversation we have today or the conversation that the council has 10 years from now. The green could change.

That's a county thing, so that could change if it gets annexed.

Is this something we can assign to the Planning Commission to get some more vetting on?

I mean, planning staff, we can discuss it with the Planning Commission.

So you just said, uh, agricultural easement, if We were to do what with the county?

So it's an owner-initiated with the Utah County government. So it's— they can withdraw themselves out of it whenever they want to. So there are some protections built in with the ag easement with state law, but if they pull themselves out, they can. Versus the conservation easement, once you sell off your rights, you basically have sold them. You can do whatever is in that agreement, but the ag easement is a little different. In that it's a county, not a private or other entity that has the building rights. They still maintain their development rights. They're just trying to protect themselves for the ag overmain from the county.

Sure.

And you said that's 200 acres? I'd have to— don't quote me on that, but it's a pretty substantial piece.

But I think if we had a neighborhood open house and if we had some information of what other cities have done around their temples, districts and, and maybe looked at this a little bit more. I think that'd be helpful to the council.

So I, I honestly think the temple's been a game changer, and so we need to relook at this. And I've always been comfortable with the PRD up to the 7, um, in some of those areas. I like the 12-mile, you know, idea. I think the Abbey Lanes, those ones over by, um, the old Perfect Village, are really very attractive. And I see that as a product that would sell very well around the temple. So, you know, and I'm certainly willing to look at, you know, industrial as it makes sense, but I'm not excited about anything over 7 or 8 myself for—

Well, there we go. A hand over here.

Yes.

I just want to remind you guys that we are going through the neighborhood process right now with the Lakeview Cherry Hill area.

And so a lot of the things that you guys are hearing about For this area are topics that they have commented on. So we are finishing up that plan right now.

It will come before you guys soon, and so you'll be able to get some more input on what the residents want for this area.

So we are holding our own general meeting on April 2nd. We could always piggyback and try to— sure, separate discussion with this specific topic and then maybe try to incorporate some of Not necessarily the neighborhood plan, but at least come back with some ideas of what the neighbors thought. That's April 2nd, the next meeting for that. For the last overall, we invite the entire neighborhood to come out and participate. So we would actually notify every property within the whole neighborhood.

And notify us as well.

Oh, absolutely. You're on the mailing list. So it would be a— it could potentially be a very big meeting, which we then would invite— we basically mailed every household an invite.

So we—

the last meeting we held, we had about 100, 130 people. If we include a verbiage about, hey, we're going to talk about the southwest area, we may get a lot more people, have a discussion. I don't want to necessarily stop the discussion on the plan, but we could have a separate, you know, in the same meeting, a separate discussion. Here's a couple of different plans, give us your thoughts on it.

Like I said, I've really seen the benefit When we have done that in the past to our plans. I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but are you guys open to it?

Yeah, absolutely.

That's a good idea. We can hold a meeting and then we'll come back and discuss.

And maybe bring us some information from other cities, what they've done as well around their temple districts.

Now, there's 100 and some, so it'll take us a while. Well, don't—

What's in Utah?

We don't want you to go to China, you know. Okay, thank you, appreciate it. Uh, appears that our meal is here, so why don't we go ahead and have a prayer? Um, Tom, if we could have it quiet for a second, we'll have a prayer over the food.

Our Father in heaven, we're grateful for these, uh, good circumstances that we find ourselves in. We're thankful for the food that's been brought in and prepared. We ask thy blessing to be upon us. Blessed be the Lord, who has taught us to be wise, and bless those who are in harm's way of this virus that seems to be upsetting not only people's health but the market. May people be calm and may they find a way for help. May we do our part to assist in that, we pray in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen.

Can we have a meeting of our faculty tonight? We need to dialogue.

the kids, and I'm like, no, Mama's got to take care of Papa. So now he's looking fly. Hey, for a programmer, he's fly.

I tell him after playing it creates a wider—

Apparently, I think it was his 2 kids came out trying to serve some papers on the police department. So they called them over saying, we don't know what to do with this.

They're saying they want 2 officers.

One of them's on military duty.

So anyway, I went over there.

I mean, a bunch of nonsense.

They weren't even subpoenas, right?

No, not the police.

Well, the meal was too many.

Yeah, one of his buyers was like, he might be 16 or 17. Nobody bought anything.

He basically said to me, I don't know what's going on.

No one bid us. I would have bought the vase, but I had more I was trying to get.

I went back out to put my name on one I know.

That's right, the earrings. That's right, your wife wanted those earrings.

Yeah, so they came in to get a copy of the supplies for pizza. And I didn't win the Transformer one that I wanted, but it's okay. Well, I got all the other ones.

Never saw it.

I got the UBU one again.

What?

I won the UBU thing again. It's okay. I don't know if it's their mom or—

I got the stadium and fire tickets. That's actually a good value because I go every year. I got an art class for my grandson.

So they're going to announce my name. All right.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Anyone have any ideas?

I know, but I can't say. Okay. So when I showed up, if I could tell him that it looked like his face, he'll know who it is.

When I talked to Tim Evans, he said, I have 80,000 friends. If I told one, I'd be in trouble.

So is it, is it a pretty well-known person?

I mean, I'm not going to say.

I don't know.

I don't know how well the team's doing.

America's coming in. Well, our job's successful. Yeah, that brings a whole new meaning to Stadium on Fire.

I think I've only missed 2 my whole life.

So when we had Bob Hope, his script was terrible.

He'll never die.

I know, but he'll never die. And I was talking to one of the State of the Fire people and they said, well, actually you had 2 scripts. A family-oriented script and a script for an actor. And he got— he picked up the wrong script.

I'm sure the whole region did.

That's the sad part.

No, it's probably not that old. Well, that's true.

They never disappeared.

No, they didn't go back there.

Anybody want to join me in renting one of those apartments just for the 4th of July?

I'll be in Stadium of Fire, so I'm out of town.

Which apartments are you talking about? The ones we looked at tonight.

Oh, they have great views.

I'll go in town.

Okay.

You can go up on top on Midtown too. I got a nice area there.

Midtown's very nice, yeah.

Yeah, Midtown's good. We got a barbecue up there.

The Midtown one's actually quite spacious and large. I've had a few events up there.

Is this the place on 13 South next to Grumpy's?

Yeah.

Like that?

It's good.

So Cubbies is good. I went there last week.

Turkey's not here.

Does it place or serve? No, but if this is the case, yes. She served us at—

I went there for lunch last week. Oh, not that one.

It's pretty good for lunch.

You seem to quickly rattle your head.

I know you do.

I think it's a problem.

Pretty popular. Oh yeah, I used to play in college and I didn't believe we could do something to help her.

One in Provo, call us.

I have one in Vineyard.

It's the Cubbies.

The Chamber. I don't know.

I've been to Cubbies.

Cubbies.

Vineyard has the Cubbies.

Cubbies. We have Cubbies, not Cubbies.

I've got a card if you need it, but maybe sounds like you're in—

Cubbies is the one down from Yeah, I've been to Target.

I've never gone to a chain grocery store.

What do you do to support everyone else?

You know, Captain Max and Cookie with an ice cream sandwich.

I think I heard about 3 brothers.

Is that New York City?

Um, Cubby's is much better than Chubby's.

Well, I don't know.

It depends.

Do you like a good burger? Depends on who you ask.

We'll bring any when you're in the mood for it, right?

No, I eat them every week because I'm rotary.

I only send in one.

Cubbies or Chubbies?

Chubbies.

And plus, I'm gonna buy them. Thanks, Harper.

I went to Chubbies and I wasn't impressed.

Chubbies, LA. Their shrimp wok is good. Where was your room, Terry? I used swingers. So there were times when we would do it where I would leave it and then we got a table. You used vacation time.

Well, when I was in, when I was in San Diego, I used to get out the big broom and sweep it off.

Love truckers.

Put it under the rug and then it'd all be pushed to Utah Lake.

Yeah, I even had the portobello mushroom It'll be like the meme I saw.

Officer pulls over a car and walks up and the guy has a little mask on. He comes up with notes and says, can't roll down windows, have coronavirus.

That's a great idea. Yeah, I hear Barcelona is amazing.

And you hear them time and time again.

Yeah, you know, you almost—

when they're good and original, you almost have to give them that and let them out of the ticket because you hadn't heard it yet.

So give me some tips. That's the problem.

You've got to be creative.

Get it away.

I was like, this is gonna be really embarrassing.

Okay, I'm gonna start now.

Well, they can't see. Let's hear it.

So, um, obviously, obviously we are approaching our appropriation budget season, and one of the bigger conversations we have usually is related to care. And so I asked Stephen to just Give you an introduction to kind of where we are this year in advance of conversations and visits that you will have from the large—

Major grants.

Major grants, thank you.

Just a quick— so this Thursday will be our first mini and mid-major presentation. The mayor's asked Jeff Lamson to sit on that, so we'll We'll have 2 evenings of those presentations as we always have. Thursday, March 12th, then Thursday, March 26th. And then the majors will come in and we'll give a report on their— based on the reports they've been giving us for the 3. We had 3 applicants as well. Again, the Sierra, Utah Metropolitan Ballet, and the Hale Center Theater. April 28th, which is a Tuesday, we'll deliberate as a council. and take the recommendation of the mini and mid-majors from our CARE Commission. And then on Tuesday, May 12th, is when we'll present the ordinance for the council to adopt for allocation. So that's the rough idea of kind of to go forward. I wanted to give you a little update on resources, amount we feel like we'll have available this year.

We're—

Could you repeat some dates?

Oh yes, yes, yes, of course. So This Thursday, March 12th, then March 26th are the mini and mid majors. Tuesday, April 14th, those are the majors in the work session. And then the deliberations again in the work session on the 28th. And then the adoption of the ordinance on May 12th.

So what are our resources then?

So this year we're looking at a total amount to allocate $2,379,000. How much was last year? $2,300,000. So here's— so this year, one of the, one of the, uh, interesting things is now that we're building these 2 projects, both the fitness center and the library hall will both be completed during this fiscal year. The library hall money has been sitting in a bank account as we've been accumulating it for When did we— the first CARES allocation was probably 2009-ish. So, so hopefully that's more than 10 years.

Hopefully that's grown.

So yeah, so we'll have interest, which for both the fitness center and the library hall, which will be to our advantage to have that. So the $2,379,000, part of that is including the interest that has been earned on in both of those accounts. So the interest for the fitness center To date is about $140,000, which is really great, but that's going to continue to grow until January because we'll hold that in the bank as long as we can until we make our final payments. The interest for the library hall, we've actually spent the money out of the CARE account already, as with enough obviously going on as we're getting closer to completion, but there's interest that's accumulated on their account of $166,640.

So— That's great.

that will allow us to, again, make sure we can meet the needs of both of those facilities, the fitness center and the library hall. So anyway, it's kind of a great thing as we were just— Brandon did the analysis on all the interest that has been earned, and it kind of something we hadn't really thought about as an additional way to help both of those projects meet the intent.

So what—

My question to you is, last year we had some asks for Equipment and piano— remember piano from last year? Will there be additional asks for the library hall, or has that already been covered?

We feel like this is essentially— we're not going to ask anything above what the interest that it's just earned. So no, no ask, no application.

And we repurposed the piano funding for the wood back seats, so we're working on other opportunities.

So how much money have we spent out of our CARE tax? Was it For the rec center and the library hall? Just the library hall?

For—

you say we pulled some money out.

Oh, the library hall is— we spent all of our CARES tax money that was allocated for library hall.

Okay. And the rec center?

Rec center, we haven't really pulled any. We've been using bond money first so we can continue to accrue interest and earn interest.

We had 2 years of contributions that already were in the account.

Yep.

And we had 2 additional years of CARES dollars that we would appropriate. So '21 and '22, FY '21 and FY '22, we would dedicate to them.

Is it about $1 million a year, do you remember?

$1 million a year.

Yep, yep.

Okay, so what that looks like is for arts having available to allocate to our applicants of $1,031,000 and change.

For—

or that's the recreation side, sorry. Recreation, $1,031,000 and change. which allows us to have the million for the fitness center, and there's still $30,000 if you choose to do the co-sponsored group tournament as well. I mean, you'll have to allocate it every year, but that's available. And then on the art side, what you're looking at available to allocate to arts, $1,005,000. And I'm happy, of course, to email these numbers.

Wow.

Just so you know what that means, Essentially, that's $40,000 more than we allocated to arts organizations last year in total. Now, the only other caveat to that is, as a council, you've requested a third-party review of the Hale Center Theater's pro forma and, and their financials, which, Jamie, I think we're looking at a bit around $35,000 or so. And so if it's your desire to bring that in, this is, this is obviously the opportunity to pay for that, there will be the funding available and still being able to allocate to the same level we did last year to cover that without having to dip into general funding.

Okay.

So we'll bring that as an option, of course, for the council to adopt. But because we will— because the arrangement with the Hale has us as an owner of part of it until it's paid off, since it's a city-owned facility, we can use CARE money.

to help cover the cost of that study.

And again, that would still allow us to hold harmless, not decrease— we wouldn't have to take away from anybody that last year— I should say in groups, nobody in the majors, and then we wouldn't have to take away from the mini and mid-major as a group. There's more applicants, so there may be that they don't get quite as much, but that group we could still fund to the tune of— last year was $69,000.

given to the mini and mid-major.

Okay, any questions?

So if you said 35 and we had 40, the extra 5, are you gonna— are you gonna just throw that into the majors or put it over to the minis?

Oh, that would be of course your decision. Yeah, that's, um, now what we have always had in the past is going into the mini and mid-majors, we've had an amount that we're kind of looking at, uh, to be— to allocate to.

So how much was the arts care?

Sorry, the arts. The amounts available: $1,005,018. I mean, $18.

$1,005,029 cents.

Yeah, $0.29.

Jeff, do you have an idea of what you think? Take what we did last year, or do you want it up $5,000? Have you thought about? A recommendation?

Uh, not until we meet with the people.

So yeah, good question. I think what Debbie's asking— Jeff, I know this is new on the council— is we usually have gone in with a, hey, here's the amount we were allowed to allocate across these organizations.

Stephen, do we know if we have more applications this year than we have?

We do.

In years past?

Yep, we have, uh, 5 more applicants in the mini and mid-major Do you know who those are?

I do, yeah.

Now, one of them we've allocated to in years past, 2 of them, Center Stage and Utah Shakespeare. Um, one of them actually didn't qualify, so I'll just take that one out. Uh, Timpanogos Symphony Orchestra and, uh, the Brazilian Festival for entertainment.

Okay, those are, those are the ones.

So Steve, help me out. Yep.

Sorry, I'm trying to figure this out.

Oh, you're fine.

So we get $2.379,000.

Yep.

But $1,931,000 is already committed to— or half of it goes to rec, half of it goes to art. Correct, correct.

But, but now the interest earned is different in fitness center than rec, so that's why the numbers don't make credit.

But the interest you're talking about is on how much?

Because there's no interest Over—

well, it's over an 11-year period.

Oh, okay.

And they were up to 2%.

It was 1%.

2% is as high as we got-ish.

Brandon?

Okay, 11 years makes sense.

Yeah, yeah. And that's why the fitness center is lower too, because they've only been there for 4 years.

Okay.

At a higher amount. Yeah.

Okay.

You're not going to get anything—

If you had a better financial advisor, Terry.

You're not getting anything over Terry. He's going to—

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Any other questions?

So if we shoot for the target of last year, the target of last year was $69,000 for mini and mid-major. And there's more applicants this year. That doesn't mean we have to fund more applicants, but there are more. So if we just— it would be good for our commission to go in with an idea of what are we funding to, what level. On the mini and mid-major.

Do you remember, Lefshur, because $69,000 seems like an odd amount. Do we have $70,000?

I think we went in with $65,000 and we ended—

you were on the thing. Why are you being so odd?

We just—

I'm telling you, it didn't sound right to me.

We came back with a recommendation higher than I think we were.

That's okay.

Way to give it to us, brother.

Yeah, absolutely.

So $65,000 was a starting point, but we really probably can't go higher than $70,000.

So that'd be just as far as you'd have the money to do that. And then we will bring forward an application to allow you for the study on the Hale Center fields.

That stingy old Tom McDonald.

Yeah, we'd give more, but Jim won't let us.

All right, uh, appreciate that. Let's go ahead and go through our review. Um, we have some upcoming events, uh, just so you're all aware of the Just to get everyone on the same page, our City Council meeting scheduled for March 24th has been moved to March 31st. There will be notice accordingly so that we can support the caucus system within the state of Utah that will be happening on the night of the 24th. We have the Liquidators ribbon cutting at 1 PM on March 13th. March 19th, we have Pillar of the Valley at 7 PM. Is everybody going to be there? Anybody going to be gone?

I'm supposed to be gone, but if my flight gets canceled, I'll be here. Okay.

March 26th, we have the countdown to the Census 2020 at the Orem High School Fieldhouse. April 17th, we have the UVU Engineering and Tech Department Fair. If nobody has been to that, I've been to it before. It's really great. to see the students and what they're pursuing, and they really like having us there. Utah League of Cities and Towns mid-year conference is Dixie Center in St. George, 22nd to 24th. Is everybody attending, or is—

I am not.

My daughter's graduating from BYU.

Okay. Everybody else? You're gonna be there? Okay, you guys.

I'll be there next year.

April 24th, we have the UVU Gala. Culinary Arts Institute at the Tech Center Park at 6 PM.

That's the night we get back, so if anyone's dragging their feet or seeing something on the way back, they're iffy.

Well, hopefully nobody's sound asleep.

Yeah, I'm gonna go hike.

I'm gonna go hike science. So April 30th is the Miss Orange Scholarship Organization mock interview. at the City Council chambers at 6:00 PM. For this evening, on our consent item, the approval of the City Council meeting minutes, February the 21st— 25th, an ordinance for the City Council to adopt creating a City of Farm Neighborhood Commission.

Second.

Do we need to quarantine you, Mayor?

A resolution for support of the pediatric trauma care unit, which we had a discussion on our last council meeting, a work session, and a resolution for the city compensation policy and philosophy program. Is everyone okay with those items? I don't know what 8.4 means. So we went through that in our last work session and talked about what the compensation policy is, made all the changes. Kerry was here.

Yep.

So is everybody okay with those items? Okay, uh, then our scheduled item. The first one is a conditional use permit. This is not a public hearing, and it relates to putting up a Okay. New pole for cell phones, both for 4G as well as 5G. And it's at 1261 West, 800 South. So I don't know if you all realize where that's at, but that's the land between the freeway and the railroad tracks where the bridge is going over on the south side of that. Jason, do you want to mention that?

Just south of that, they are proposing 100 feet in order to get high enough to get more coverage and to allow for 3— or 2 locators, so 3 total on that pole. In order to do that, they have to get at least high enough to allow those, because the bottom one is going to be pretty low.

What did your team recommend?

100 feet is adequate for us. That allows the lower one to be about 60 feet, which is still serviceable, but if you get too low, then it doesn't So considering the location, any chance we can tell them what we want for elevation on what it looks like?

You could ask.

I did ask them.

Can we do a pine tree like Provo or a cactus like Phoenix?

That is a great pine tree.

Giant cactus.

That's what?

There's a great pine tree in Provo.

Yeah, there is.

I was the one that proved that 25 years ago.

Is that right? I actually—

Should all go there.

Very well.

Do we get the revenue from that, or is that going to be you?

Uh, I think it's the landowner.

It's actually on private property.

It's private property. Yeah, it's the Davis family.

I'll tell you what, we need the coverage. AT&T is our carrier, and if you drive down Center Street, the minute you crest the hill on Center, coverage is gone until you get to Geneva. So there's a big gap right there. So I'm hoping that'll—

so maybe for the benefit of Councilmember Pedersen, we, we do have a specific ordinance in place that essentially requires cell companies to come talk to us first to see about location, and then if we can't accommodate those requests, then they have the opportunity to explore other properties. This just wasn't a property that we had any, any facility in proximity to.

And they did try to get on They tried to do some other locations, but it just couldn't work out. Even on the campus, they just couldn't come up with an agreement with UVU, so they kind of moved offsite. We do have property on the south side of the interchange, but the interchange itself was so cumbersome that the cell tower would have to be extremely high to get across. So that's why they moved across.

And some of you may be getting on occasion emails from very strong advocates about 5G technology and cell towers. small cell technology and say no to 5G and so on and so forth. We have very limited, essentially, discretion as to what we can and can't do. In fact, Steve is kind of our 5G small cell expert. And there was a bill passed in the legislature 2 years ago that essentially said, we're going to take your level of discretion, which at that point was here, and we're going to put it down to here. So when we do have people call, it really is kind of out of our hands in many respects. We don't have a lot of discretion.

They actually used a template from AT&T, uh, to pass in the legislature. Uh, Kirk Bramble was the sponsor of it, and it basically says that all cities have to allow 5G cell phone towers or facilities to come in. come in and you receive X amount of dollars as a community from that. And 38 states have passed that. And so what Jamie's saying is correct. We don't really have any control over that.

So you'll start to see we've got actually some approvals that we've approved, some of the city light poles. You'll see they'll be modified. They'll look exactly like that except you'll see a little tower coming on top of that. So those are going to start coming So who has asked for that and how many do we have?

So small cell, we have 2 providers that are basically located in the city, Crown Castle and Expanet. They're both in the process of deploying small cell facilities, which are typically going on Rocky Mountain Power poles, or as Jason said, city light poles, or in some cases they'll install new poles which would have a maximum height of 35 feet.

So they look very similar to our current poles. Current light pole, they're modified to allow the equipment in the base itself, and then the antenna will be on top.

So you have ground castle and extant.

Okay, so imagine over the next few months you'll start seeing those poles pop up.

And we don't know how many right now.

We've got 10 in the queue, I think, right now. So you'll—

okay, but they're, but they're generally kind of coordinated in and around high traffic areas.

UBU, Center Street, and So these will be where again?

So you see the light poles that we have, the City Green poles, right, commercial zones, those that are being modified. So the pole itself will look the same, it'll just be a little base, it'll be a bit bigger, and then it'll be— it's kind of flat, maybe 10 feet above that pole.

On the major thoroughfares or in the major—

Center Street and State Street.

One will be right here across the street and the other is down University Place.

They're usually congregating around high traffic areas.

Or UVU.

Or UVU House, yeah.

So you'll start seeing them. And then we basically had to approve them. Obviously, Steve wrote an ordinance a couple years ago and you approved it, obviously, to have them match as best as possible the current configuration of our streetlights.

And are we about the same as other cities? I mean, are they having these come in at about the same rate?

Yeah, yeah, everybody's—

all the large cities are experiencing it.

Right.

Okay. Mayor?

Yes.

Just a point, uh, for the city council. This is being approved by resolution. It's not in that first title part, but if whoever makes the motion will make sure that they put that in, you are approving it by resolution. So that's part of the motion.

Sure. You bet.

Okay, uh, any items you have here?

Uh, just obviously we are down to 2 2 days in the legislative session. Gary has a lot of scars and bruises. He's, he's probably the guy who's been the most beat up in this, in this whole session. Heather Shriver, our Deputy City Attorney, has been also representing our interests. It's been a weird session. You may have heard that not as many bills— there were more bills filed this year than ever before.

1,400.

But we've had fewer bills pass. And so that, you know, to some degree, that's good news. Most of the legislation that we have been monitoring has kind of taken— has kind of run its course.

There may be a few.

I don't know, Gary, if you had any more law enforcement type—

No, we actually, you know, for being battered and bruised, I feel like we've come out on top on We got a lot of them kind of to where it really didn't affect law enforcement quite as much. We had— there is one that may affect our justice courts a little bit. HB 300 allows the county attorney to file a Class A misdemeanor in the county justice court, which I don't know exactly how that might affect us.

We may have to sit down and talk about that.

So is that going to pass?

Yeah.

It was very favorable in committee, and I don't see any issues that it's going to have as it passes through. Fringe gambling was another one that was really a big deal. And I think, honestly, today some lobbyists for the machines kind of came out of the woodworks the last few days. They weren't even in the committee at all.

But you think it'll pass?

From what I understand, there were people up there— there's starting— an opposition is starting to grow. I don't know if it's passed today, if it passed the House or the Senate, but the committee— it did come out in favor of the committees. I don't know if it'll fix our problems. If it doesn't, I really think that we will be proactive as law enforcement and come back, say, next year and say, fine, if we can't beat them, let's regulate them.

Thank you.

And, uh, go from there. So I think as law enforcement, we'll, we'll take a proactive stance on, on that depending on how this goes. So those are some of the ones.

So, Gary, some of us have gotten emails about this HB 206, which is a bail and pretrial release.

You're getting it from— well, we as a Law Enforcement Legislative Committee, we supported it in concept. There was one portion of it that we did not support, which Representative Pitcher, who is— she's actually a prosecutor up in Davis County. She's the one that ran the bill. She took out the part that law enforcement was concerned about. I got inundated with the emails as well. It's kind of a special interest group from the bail bonds associations and bail bond lobbyists. So you're comfortable with it? I personally am okay with it to where we got it. Again, I was not when when we started. Originally, basically it started out saying that police officers could not take anyone into custody for anything under a Class A misdemeanor except some specific carve-outs. They did remove that portion of it, and then so that didn't affect law enforcement. So as far as that goes, I'm fine with that bill. I actually talked to Representative Pitcher yesterday about it.

Okay, so I think Obviously, we're not through the end of the session yet, and there can always be a few surprises, but for the most part, I think the legislature's been very much focused on a series of tax issues, or the last couple days have been focused on education, trying to strike a deal with the education community over the constitutional requirement of income tax to go towards 100% funding of education. And all those conversations actually help us because it kind of moves the ball away from where we are and focuses it somewhere else, which is to our advantage.

Can I bring up one other? And I can't remember the bill number, but there's one on surcharges. They actually are looking at— and I had a long talk with Representative Hutchings, who was over appropriations. They're actually changing up a little bit in the way that they are dealing with the surcharges. For example, a lot of the fines are now being reduced because a lot of our crimes are going basically from Class As to Bs to Cs and so forth.

Mm-hmm.

So fines are being reduced. With the shortage of police officers, we're having a reduction in the number of citations issued throughout the state. So what they're hoping to do is take, rather than, for example, the way that our task force is funded as far as from the state, from CCJJ, it used to come through a lot of our forfeiture monies. That is all now going to be taken and put into the general fund, and then the general fund will then be allotted out to these different groups. And he showed me a list of all of the different The funding that that bill is going to cover. And the reason for it is because we have such a fluctuation year to year in the surcharges. They're hoping to make it a little bit more steady and even. In theory, I think it's going to be great. We'll see how that goes. Once you say general fund, it's kind of a scary thing.

Yeah.

But we'll see. But that was the other one.

All right, also one thing I do know, the legislature was trying to do a series of about 3 small tax cuts. And it looks like those are not gonna go through. They're realizing that with the coronavirus, there may be some shortfall in revenues and that they ought to hang on to their money rather than giving it back. So I think that's not gonna happen for the most part. Only fixes.

It isn't their money.

Thank you, Jeff.

I appreciate that.

Um, Mayor, I don't know if you wanted to mention the meeting we had with the county or if there's really anything worth mentioning.

Sure. Well, we had a meeting with the county on the transit room and restaurant tax, uh, bringing up the fact that certain items are being funded in other cities, um, and we ask for funding and get turned down, and they get theirs increased. And we are the major contributor on restaurant tax. So we're still fighting that. I actually called Dan Hemmer, and Dan said, you know, if you want us to put in the bill, a city of the first class has everything defined on how they do that and how they regulate how the money goes. Counties of the second class do not have that. We found it's a very loosey-goosey, you know, if you pat me, I'll pat you, and you get the money. So we would really like to see that change, and Dan Hemmert's willing to run the bill next year and require that our county do it in a proper manner. So one last one I want to mention is the city of Pleasant Grove was sued over their road fee and lost the lawsuit. As such, they cannot spend the $2.5 million they've already collected. And they cannot collect any more money for the road fee until an appeal occurs, which will take probably 1 to 2 years. And it does not affect any other cities that are collecting fees. So that's a big area that we'll have to wait and see what happens. If nothing else, let's go ahead and adjourn and, uh, over to the city center. I'm sorry, Jeff, did you want to mention anything? Well, gosh, I've You got a half hour.

No, just really quickly, so Stephen did a great job on the CARE.

We're looking forward to that moving forward. Also, the Lake Commission is another committee that I serve on. I think they have their first meeting that I'll be involved in next week, so I'll know more then. I also serve on the Natural Resources Stewardship Committee. And they are an effective group of individuals. It's a fun committee to serve on. They just came up with their goals for 2020, and I want to just go over those really quickly to mention their priorities. Number 1, they want to assist the city in promoting smart meter usage. Number 2, they want to promote the Recycle Coach app.

And number 3, they just, they want to help promote the idea of being more energy efficient in homes and schools and wherever we can.

Also, they want to do some things to help get people outside. Biking, hiking, they want to sponsor some walks and some hikes and some things around the city. And then number 5, they wanted to team up with Home Depot or Lowe's and promote using electric lawn mowers. So they're working on some things there. And then also—

What?

Bee-friendly planting. So educational purposes.

So good, thank you. By the way, if you can't find toilet paper or paper towels or water or Coke at your local WinCo or Costco, they have pallets full at Home Depot, so they got all you need. Let's move over to the center table.

Yeah.

Oh, you are?

Yeah. Okay. So, can you look at his weight?

I'm in charge of our—

It's out of your pocket. So he's Facebooking about himself.

That's right.

Sustained Justice Center fundraiser. Are you going to put him up on there?

I don't know.

Can we?

Yeah, we'll do that.

Yeah.

We have to. We can share the police Facebook one, but that's still not chill. But if you wouldn't mind spreading it, because I know—

I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of similar people who follow both sides.

I think that's a great idea. I'll read that tomorrow. Okay, perfect.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Oh, I mean, I don't know. It's good to be prepared, right?

Okay.

We would like to welcome everyone out to our city council meeting this evening. I would like to call this meeting to order. We would like to begin with a prayer to be given by Mike Cunningham. And the Pledge of Allegiance to be given by Way Cunningham of PAC 1706.

Let's pray. Lord God, we're so grateful for the city of Orem. What a privilege it is to live in and, and, um, near this wonderful city. God, we're so grateful for this leadership, uh, to continue to the— to continue this city on its Lord, give them wisdom tonight as they make important decisions, as they tackle problems, as they meet needs. I pray that this meeting will be glorifying to you, Lord, that you will be honored in the way it's conducted, and that it will be indeed fruitful. We commit this meeting to you at this time, in Jesus' name. Amen.

Amen.

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Mike. And Wei, if you could stand right there, I do have something to give to Wei here.

Mayor, I did want to talk about this cute little tiger. We have formed— my husband and I have formed a Cub Scout pack in the Orem-Vineyard area, and they meet at the Franklin Academy. Um, Wei is one of our first graders, and I believe he's 6 years old. And so we're grateful he could come and help us out, and his dad's the, the leader.

We would like to go over now some upcoming events. The first event that I would like to mention is that our meeting on March 24th, 2020 has been moved from that date to March 31st, 2020 due to the political caucuses of the city so that everyone can attend those. We have a ribbon cutting coming up on the 13th at 1:00 PM for the liquidators. At 109 North, 1200 West. On March 19th, we have the Utah Valley Chamber of Commerce Pillar of the Valley at the Utah Valley Convention Center at 7:00 PM. March 26th, we have the City of Orem Countdown to Census 2020, 6:00 to 8:00 PM at the Orem High School Fieldhouse. April 17th, we have the UVU Engineering Tech Department.

Um.

fair and VIP breakfast at 7:30 AM at the Sorensen Student Center. On April 22nd through the 24th, we have the Utah League of Cities and Towns mid-year conference at the Dixie Center in St. George. April 24th at UVU, we have the Culinary Arts Institute Gala at 6 PM at the Canyon Park Tech Center. And on April 30th, we have the Miss Orem Scholarship Organization Mock interviews at 6 PM at the City Council chambers. We now would like to go to our consent items. These are items that if anyone has any objections to, staff or council, we can move to a scheduled item. Otherwise, I will read through them and then we will take a motion to accept. First one is 8.1, approval of the City Council meetings.

So moved.

Minutes from February 25th, 2020. 8.2, an ordinance. The City Council has an ordinance creating a City of Orem Neighborhood Commission. 8.3 is a resolution for support of a pediatric trauma care unit in Utah County at the Timpanogos Hospital. 8.4 is a resolution of the City Compensation policy and philosophy. Does anyone wish to move that to a scheduled item? If not, I would accept a motion to approve these.

So moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

Okay, Councilmember Spencer?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, our consent agenda passes. Um, we'll now go on to I'm sorry, our personal appearances. So on our personal appearances, I would like to read the following statement. Time has been set aside for the public to express their ideas, concerns, comments on items not scheduled as public hearings on the agenda. Those wishing to speak are encouraged to show respect and For those who serve the city, comments should focus on the issues concerning the city. Those wishing to speak should have signed in before the beginning of the meeting. We do ask that you limit your comments to 3 minutes or less and that you give us your name. We have 2 individuals wishing to speak. The first is Cissy Rasmussen, after which— followed by Gary Morley.

Thanks. I'm Sissy Rasmussen, and I want to share some celebrations from the brand new Orem school, Centennial Elementary. As you know, Centennial Elementary opened just this past fall, and it was named for Orem's own centennial celebration. It's the consolidated school made up of Hillcrest and Sarah Park Elementary Schools. They were closed because they had extremely low, persistently declining enrollments as well as unsafe aging buildings. Now Centennial has 780 students, including a preschool and a special ed group. That's similar in size to Cascade, Northridge, Orchard, Cherry Hill, or Orem Elementary. Now that we're almost finished with the first year, I just have some observations to share with you. First, the Centennial building is a gorgeous building. It is safe and new and clean and functional, and I'm excited to see Cascade students get that same advantage very soon. Every system works, from the heating and air to the technology. This building is also outfitted with the latest security features, which I know the City Council has been concerned about in the past. For instance, locked interior doors mean that all visitors have to be buzzed in through the front office. We also have security cameras.

Thank you.

And all in all, it's just a safe, beautiful place that Orem can really be proud of. Another big change for our school is that we now have enough teachers and aides for our Orem students. By the time Hillcrest reached its last year, we had only one kindergarten teacher and one 4th grade teacher. Sarah Park has split grades in 2 places. Centennial now has 4 teachers per grade, 2 kindergarten teachers, and 10 aides. Also, as a matter of interest, almost every teacher from both schools came to our new school, and they're making it a very united, happy place. Other things that are celebratory at our school is that we now have specialty classes, which is a common thing in Orem schools and schools throughout the state, but neither of our schools had those. We now have also the only STEM teacher and STEM class in all of Orem elementaries. One of the most amazing things that is happening at Centennial is a revitalized PTA made up of all the parents from both schools, but even more parents are joining now because there's not such a burden on any one person. It's been amazing to see the schools come together and bring the greatest traditions from both schools, the school play from Sarah Park, the readathon from Hillcrest, and make new traditions together. Just as a side note, the arts extension program that the Sarah Theater was providing to Sarah Park students is now provided to all of Centennial, so that's doubling the number of students that Sarah Theater is reaching out to. So I was optimistic about this. Oh, I'll just finish my last sentence. I was optimistic about this school, and I have to say it exceeded my expectations. And I encourage City Council to come as soon as possible and visit this brand new Orms School. I think you will love it. That's all.

Thank you, Sissy. That's a lot of work in the making, and I think the result is turning out really well. And I've been over to the building. The building's beautiful, and I'm glad you don't have rooms that are boiling hot and freezing cold. And, uh, anyway, just a great combination of a lot of great students. So thank you. We'll now hear from Gary Morley.

As residents and neighbors who live on or near 2000 South in Orem, we request that the utility lines along 2000 South be placed underground. We understand that on 2000 South between Main Street and 250 East, major work Thank you. The work to replace a water line, place a 24-inch storm drain, and replace some sewer line will be done this summer. Curb and gutter may be placed on the south side of the street. All around us, crews are working to place fiber optic lines underground. We've been told that utility poles will be moved back from the street and further into our yards. It would seem to be an excellent time to remove the ugly poles and lines And put the utility lines underground. Trees have been cut away to accommodate the power lines. Poles are a nuisance and somewhat impair vision of traffic as we leave roads and driveways coming onto 2000 South. All around us, utility lines are underground. Question, why do we have poles and lines on 2000 South? We would very much appreciate having the utility lines on 2000 South placed underground.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Gary. If you wanted to wait until after the meeting, we'd like to talk to you. We'll now go ahead and close our personal appearance portion of our program and go on to our scheduled items. We have one scheduled item, 9.1, which is a conditional use permit resolution. This is approval of a UVU AT&T wireless telecommunications facility located at 1261 West 800 South in the M-2 zone to accommodate both 4G and 5G telecommunications. Our presenter is Jason Bench. And Jason, can you introduce the applicant there with you?

My name is Vinny Rowe, R-O-W-E.

And you're with?

I'm with a company called SmartLink. We're the representative company. We provide services for AT&T. And I am the project—

Great. Okay, thank you.

So before you tonight is a conditional use permit. It is a 100-foot tall tower. You can see at this location here between I-15 and the tracks. They're proposing it at that location. The main purpose of locating it there— they had tried, and Vinnie can explain if— when he has time, but they've tried at other locations, the businesses, even on UVU campus, and Even on the school, the elementary— or the middle school, excuse me. And they couldn't come to a consensus. There is in the ordinance a requirement to go on public spaces first, so city properties. There was none in the area that would accommodate them. They then need to go to a public, like schools. They couldn't come to an agreement. Then they can, on the third option, go to a private property, which is what this location is. So based on their criteria and trying to find a location, this is the one that they have selected.

Thank you.

settled on because it is doable for them. The city is comfortable in that location. The purpose for the 100-foot tower is to get high enough to accommodate the cell service on the 100 feet, but also to accommodate 2 other carriers on that. If you get too low, then the bottom carrier is really too low to accommodate what they need as far as serviceable area for the cell tower. The location, like I say, is right next Right. —into kind of the ditch area. It is a 100-foot-tall pole. This is just the first— AT&T is going to take the top. They do allow some colocation up to 2 other carriers. One of the Planning Commission members who was the ditch master for this ditch wanted to make sure that there was sufficient room from their gated area to the ditch so they can get a vehicle in. There's a 16-foot area with that. So the ditch company was satisfied that there's enough to maintain that ditch and not encumber them. The Planning Commission did make a recommendation that the council do approve the conditional use permit for the proposed 100-foot cell tower at the location. I'd be glad to address any questions.

So a question, how high will the fence be around this?

I'm trying to remember what we've got in the drawing. It's a— I think it's a 12-foot fence.

OK. And so you have access and you will not interfere with the water there to the east of you?

No, we will not. We've worked out access with the landlord, with the property owner that will— we've got that easement set up and everything. It won't interfere with the canal or anything by that. And we actually— the question when it came up, I actually wasn't even sure how close it was. I wasn't aware of the easement there, but I guess it's a prescriptive use, so it didn't show up on any of our surveys or anything. But apparently, it's been approved that we're far enough away from it, we won't be in the area at all.

And Jason, how many cell phone towers do we have in the city that are 100-foot tall?

There are several in the M-2 zone specifically. Out by WinCo, there's a— that's 100-foot tall. There's one by the Public Works is 100 feet. So there are several that are that height. And really, it's to accommodate the multiple carriers on a pole.

Sure.

Well, and if I can give you a little bit of background, I mean, he touched on it a little bit. What happens is there's a single carrier that has an exclusive contract with the university. The university, and they've mostly discussed that they want DAS and in-house systems. So it's more local. You know, they put them in the ceilings, the rooftops, that sort of thing. Same sort of thing that you would see like in a mall or anything that provides coverage while you're in building. The problem that we run into is there's not a lot of out-of-building service. So it doesn't cover any of the gaps in between. So if you're walking from one building to the other, safety precautions being what they are, that's where you need a lot of the coverage is when you're outside of the building. There's also with the new walkway that's being put in over and all of the new surrounding buildings, you know, that the students are living in, there's obviously a safety concern. People want communication access to all of that. The reason for the tower is all the other carriers are gonna run into somewhat the same problem that we will. So either you, you know, we end up one tower or you end up with multiple sort of dotting the way there. So it'd be nice to have one tower and allow, you know, other carriers.

Multiple carriers.

Yeah. And then that way they can cover it. The height also, what it does, I mean, it being because of the freeway that separates it, you need to get a little bit of height so that you can still shoot and not try to shoot straight over. So just a little background on that.

Good. Thank you. Councilmember McDonald?

A couple questions. On this slide, you say proposed 80-foot tower, but we've been talking 100-foot tower. You see at the bottom of that page, it says proposed 80-foot.

That's General Plan. It says 100-foot.

Yeah, it is, it is 100-foot. I think it changed for that reason, is when, when we initially had submitted it, the idea was we could add it for additional carriers, and so we were extending that height.

So this is— I'm glad you came to this slide next. There are other towers that look nicer than just a pole with electronic stuff at the top. So any thought of making this more eye-pleasing, or is this just going to be a pole with boopsters at the top?

Well, I guess some of that is, you know, preference. I personally think that the slim monopole is a better look than any sort of a stealth Monopines. The problem you run into with any sort of a monopine like that is there's the upkeep and everything that goes along with it, and there really isn't anybody around that enforces that. So those branches get old, they need to be replaced. The problem you run into is the more branches you put on there, make it look like a monopine, the less carriers you can get on there. So you end up moving people further down, and it may prove difficult for anybody else to co-locate on it, and then you're going to end up with the same fake monopine OK. Next to it.

Vinnie, I think you and Jason both indicated that this is going to be a shared tower, so you'll rent space to anyone up there? Yes.

Yes.

Jason, you'll remember— and Vinnie, you weren't here— but we had a group who wanted to put up a CB antenna. And we wanted to make sure that if it fell, it wouldn't hit the house next to them when it was raised. This 100-foot would probably hit the freeway. And clearly— I mean, if you go back to that last sheet, we're only 48 feet from the property line. Keep going. The one that said 80-foot tower on it. Keep going. One more. You don't have many more options.

Nope.

Where'd it go?

Keep going. That one. It looks like we're 48 feet and 11 inches away from something. And it looks to— I mean, we're not worried about this thing falling down. But when someone had a CB antenna, we were concerned that the height wouldn't be a distraction Should it fall over? Maybe that's a silly question. Could you educate me? And do we enforce that anywhere else with TV— I mean, phone towers?

I'd have to pull the ordinance. It does require to be 115% away from any structure or anything.

If you look at the—

I mean, you've got a railroad right-of-way and then you've got a ditch. So I don't— there's no structure or any—

Are we 115 feet away from the railroad?

For the tracks, yes.

Yes, but are we 115 feet away from the freeway?

Oh, more than that, yeah.

Thank you.

So we've got 2 safeguards in that as well. All towers that are built these days fold center. So if it does— if the stress of the upper part of the tower is too strong for it, it doesn't fall from the base ever. The foundation's strong enough. It would fold in half and basically fall over. The other thing is every time any antennas or anything's done on this tower, it will— a structural analysis will be required. And it needs to pass with the highest rev that they have that, you know, accommodates for ice loading, wind loading, all of that. And so nobody's going to be able to co-locate on this and put more weight or stress on the tower than is allowable.

And the bridge is a good— the bridge that's under construction will also be more than 115 feet away.

It's to the north.

Yeah, but—

To the north.

I'm not positive of the dimensions on that. I don't know how far away it is, but it's—

It's far.

It's pretty significantly—

Yeah, it's quite a ways away.

Basically up in here.

Perfect. Thank you.

Yeah, that's a couple hundred feet.

So a question on that— how long will it take to construct, and when will you start?

Well, it just depends, right? It depends how quickly we get this— if we get this approved, right, then we've got to go through a building permit process, and then we've got to finalize— we're still in the process of finalizing the lease with it. We ought to be ready to hand it over to construction construction within about a month, month and a half. The question is whether or not they're going to be able to get it scheduled and get equipment ordered in and get it done before wintertime and when they want to do that. But my guess is I believe it is scheduled to be built this year. So I would think probably the end of fall, early winter. I mean, this isn't— I mean, the weather's not a huge impediment like it may be somewhere up in Montana. But I think we'd be fine building it this year if we get everything approved and finalized.

Okay.

Councilmember Lurie.

Question, seismically, is there anything in the design that's given consideration of an earthquake? I'm thinking if we did have earthquake, people are going to want to get, you know, have their cell to tell people they're safe, whatever. Is it designed at all to make sure it's earthquake-proof or however we—

I think it— I think they're all designed as much as you can be. I think the foundation design Figures that into it. Now, if if a fault line opens up underneath it, that's going to be a little hard to sustain it. But yes, any any tremors or aftershock—that's all built into the structural analysis. And and they do they do a full foundation analysis that accommodates for some of that. Obviously, there's I mean that doesn't all happen. We've heard of you know tragedies that have happened and certain lines fall down. But we've got I mean. AT&T has a whole background of things that they can bring in. They can bring in cell towers or cell on wheels that they can bring in anytime, any sort of emergency situation. They've got backup plans that they can reconnect and move those antennas onto a separate mobile pole.

Thank you.

This will also require building permits, so the structural analysis and stuff will be done by our commercial plans examiner as well.

Any other questions or comments from the council? Yes, go ahead.

Just curious what the maximum number of companies that can use that same tower?

Well, I guess that depends on how high they need to go and what the stress loading would be on it. So my guess is probably just 2 more carriers. So 3 total, which covers the big 3. Anything other than that, you're probably— they'd probably look for alternative solutions. The other option is it could probably be extendable if it got to the point where they needed to as part Part of the way the tower is constructed, they could add another 20 feet onto the top of it. Obviously, it would have to come through and get approved and everything along those lines. But if that were necessary, that a 4th carrier needed to go on it, there are ways around it. They can reinforce the pole. They can add other things to it. But you're probably on a tower this height— this high, you've got 8-foot antennas. So each of them need a separation between antennas. So you're probably about 10 to 12 feet carrier. So I mean, you're already down at almost 55, 60 feet by the third carrier. Other than that, you're gonna have a really hard time shooting over the freeway and getting any coverage of anything substantial into the university area.

So just to— but city requires up to 3, it doesn't require any more. So if they wanted to do a fourth one, we'd probably look to do another pole rather than try to cram another one on the one pole.

And Vinnie, just out of curiosity, who are the big 3 I don't know if I want to be on record, but no, just AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon. Or now it's going to be T-Mobile Sprint, I guess, when the merger goes through. So it really is now just 3 that they—

just 3 of those.

And I'm not trying to discount anybody else.

Those are just the big ones.

No, you're fine. You're fine. Any other comments from anybody on the council? All right, well, I would like to make a motion that City Council approve by resolution the permit of a UVU AT&T wireless telecommunications facility located at 1261 West 800 South in the M-2 zone. Is there a second?

Second.

Okay, we'll go ahead and start with Councilmember Terry Peterson.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, the resolution passes. Thank you, appreciate it, Vinnie. Uh, Jamie, do you have any items you wish to bring up? Okay, with that, I would accept a motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Is there a second?

Second.

Okay, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

We are adjourned. Thank you.