City Council · 2022-05-24

Okay, so the location that, that we proposed is what you see up here on the screen marked as proposed location. The street at the top is Center, I'm assuming? The street at the top is 100 North. The street on the bottom is Center Street.

Okay, okay.

It's not north-south. So yeah, so you can see kind of there's a big parking lot right there. And You can't really see very well in there, but there's a dumpster out there adjacent to the— So what they're basically proposing to do, there are a number of light poles there for the ball fields, and they're proposing to essentially take out one of those existing light poles, replace it with a new monopole. They would put their wireless antenna on there, and then they would also mount new lights for the ball field there. So the net effect is don't have any new poles, they're just replacing an existing pole, it would be a thicker type of a monopole, so you would notice a difference. It would essentially be about the same height as the existing light poles that are out there right now. They're proposing 75 feet, essentially the same height. If you've seen the existing monopole that's out there at the bottom where that red arrow is, Jason, you can just kind of— We can see the red arrow. Okay, you're probably familiar with it, but that's a tower that's owned by Verizon right now. I think there's 2 or 3 providers on there. We've kind of marked the distances from the 2 locations from each other, as well as the distances to the sidewalk across the street, just for point of reference. So there's the existing pole. Okay, yeah, so there you can get a view of that existing pole. I think I'll see the actual lights. Is it inside the field? No, because it's not likely a player is going to run it down. It's outside the field. Jason, do we have— I think we have a shot of the location. Let's go to that. So there you can kind of see the pole that's being proposed to replace. Jason, do we have a— let's go to the next one.

Do you have a better one?

No. That closer up one. Okay, that's the one I'm speaking of. So there you can kind of see the parking lot, the dumpster, the existing light pole right there, and they're proposing to relocate that just a little bit to the west. And one of the reasons why this is a good location for them is because you've got this parking lot, it's really easy for them to access it. And so they need to access their equipment and they need to do maintenance, and also actually for the installation, you know, the pole itself, it works really well. So that, you know, we looked at some other locations that were interior to the park, but again, you know, the access is not as great for those because then they have to bring in a truck, you know, either on the sidewalk or across the grass or that kind of thing, and that's maybe a little bit more disruptive. So we actually thought this was good for us and good for them as well.

Do we have to pay more on this location than the other?

No, it would be the same. We basically charge the same rate for all of our monopoles in the city or cell towers. That's running right now about $30,000 a year. If there's one provider, if there's more than one provider, it goes up to about $45,000. Steve, maybe you can— I was just briefly explaining to the mayor, we looked, we actually looked at co-location, but yeah, this just doesn't fit on the existing pole. Yeah, you can see the existing pole has got a couple of antenna arrays. There's just not room. They needed a certain height, they would be too low. if they were to go on that pole. So it just doesn't, doesn't work.

So, so this is not— is this to do with upgrading the 5G, or is this to do with additional—

I think it's just mainly doing coverage. It's not— I don't think it's 5G related. I think it's just to get better coverage. And 5G is actually now on the pole across the street in front of the mountains. If you see that the light pole has changed out, that's actually the 5G pole. Yeah, the 5G system is more what we call small cells, and that's where they put, you know, basically on city streetlights or You know, there are little poles that they might install along the street. They have a little smaller antenna array they use for that. But the monopole, the cell towers are actually tied into that whole system, but they're not— I don't know, they're not the core necessarily.

So I guess my question is, so is this to provide a spot for another provider?

Yes, T-Mobile.

So this is for T-Mobile?

Yes.

And this other one you already got for Verizon?

Yeah, you got Verizon on there, and there's somebody else that you can't remember who it is. But yeah, there's somebody else on there as well.

Seems sometimes they try to make them look like a tree or something.

Yeah.

Are they going to do anything to make it look blend better?

We haven't asked them to do that. We could if you wanted to. You know, sometimes they stick out more if you try and make them look like a line. We just thought though that if they could be mounted, the lights could be mounted, then it would to some degree look like it fits. Like a light pole. It is like a light pole, essentially. They look more like light poles than they do trees. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Animal culture might be nice.

Yeah, there are a lot of those growing. Like the one in Provo on University Avenue. God, it looks ridiculous.

Well, can they paint it green or something?

I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, if you wanted them to paint it a different color, but again, you have a bunch of light poles out there that are all silver.

What are these?

Oh, they're silver.

Yeah, so if you change the color, it might look like it'll stand out more.

Okay, then we don't want to do that right now.

So anyway, we just Before we go forward to execute a lease agreement with T-Mobile, we wanted to make sure you were comfortable with this proposed location. See if you have any thoughts or questions about this. If you are okay with it, then we'll, we'll move forward. Basically, we do a lease agreement for an equipment building, which would be next to the dumpster there, and as well as, you know, the site of the monopole itself. And the lease agreements, Steve, are they 20, they're typically 30 years.

They're not—

sorry, 25 years. And then they have escalators in it. It includes the building. Yes. And the escalation clause, it's, uh, we typically done 4% a year. Um, so yeah, that's where we're at right now. They, they, they kind of scream. And how big is that building? Is it— it's not gonna be approaching that.

No.

No, Jason, we have an area— that's kind of the area that we're— it'll be behind the back gate. So, Mayor and Council, just so that you're aware, we do have a number of these poles sited in our parks. And what we have historically done is we have taken the revenue that's generated from these poles in parks and rolled that money, that revenue, back into parks. So it hasn't really been money thrown into the general fund. but we've reinvested into our parks.

So will that extend past the dumpster wall? How was the 22? How wide is the dumpster?

How big is the dumpster?

Yeah, will that— will the footprint be similar to the—

It looks like it overlaps.

How far?

A little bit of overlap. I mean, this is just a rough— I mean, we're gonna— we'll work that out with them so that there's no overlap. Or, you know, I mean, I don't know how far the batting cage— yeah. Because kids warm up there too. They proposed not to have a structure, just outdoor equipment.

What's that?

There was no structure, it was just a pad with stuff inside of the compound. So there's no building or anything like that. That's right. You know, and actually this site, we, you know, we looked at a lot of different locations, like I said, and some of those would have interfered with baseball players warming up and things like that. So we tried to find a location that was as out of the way as possible. And we felt like this is probably the best place. They're going to fence it with a similar material, so the outside fence will be similar, surrounded by the dumpster. Okay, just no roof on it. Although we did talk about that. But do we know how far it's going past them? It looks like it's like 3 feet or—

Past what?

Past the garbage drawer wall. Probably a foot or 2. Yeah, well, again, this is just kind of a concept. So if we tell them you got to put it even with the garbage. You know, I think we were trying to keep— you see there's kind of a curb cut there where some vehicles do go across that grass. We were trying to keep that open because I think there are— I don't know. So part of it is to move this over. That's why they're moving it over here. Yeah, so there's a bigger— But if you're comfortable with this, Then we can proceed, or Steve and his team can proceed in the lease terms arrangement. And that's the going rate still, even though—

So when we—

I mean, I hate to say this almost, but I did a lot of these leases, uh, 25 years ago when we were first starting. They were going for $9,000 or $10,000 a year, and with that 4% escalation, we're now up to about $30,000. It tells you how fast That increases. Is Tom okay with it?

I'm great with it. So I'll just make a comment about— I, I have a concern about the concept of the poles, but I know, you know, it's long past my concern because they're everywhere. But I had a concern when I was on the school board if that— the safety for kids. I'm still— because you read different things. So I know that's a big topic, and my concern is not going to stop it, but I just want to go on record saying I'm I'm worried about the safety of those anywhere.

Safety in what regard?

So just what's coming from the poles. And, uh, you know, it's like when you see big power lines and nothing grows underneath them and everyone says they're safe, there's no, there's no issues. So I, I just have a question in my head about is this safe.

And along those lines, um, there's a, there are a few citizens that are on that they're concerned about that, and we hear from, from time to time that—

Yeah.

The other one in Orem, we walked through the park with them and they kind of pointed out that there's things that don't grow as well there or whatever. Can they, as they put this in, just verify that they're using the latest safety technologies and precautions so that people might be concerned with that, so that at least we're Yeah, I mean, we can ask them, you know, to verify that this is the latest technology and the best technology.

Technically, they would have liability if it's not, right? They would have liability if it's not, so you think they would figure it out?

Yeah, I mean, there's actually, you know, uh, laws out there that prevent anybody from making a claim based on electromagnetic radiation. Yeah, and actually it says that approving authorities can't deny on that basis either.

So we're gonna accept you.

So Jason, can you go back to the light on fill 2?

Right there.

So that's the outfill. So those poles right there, is there any way maybe to Do a pad or something, goes around the bottom of it. If some kid's overzealous, wants to catch a pop fly, he runs into it. Is that the same pole?

A cushion?

Yeah, just a different view of the same pole. No, that's behind the snack shed, like you'd see around like a football, um, pole, end zone. Yeah, that's outside of the fence. You're worried about it for practice, like a choke point, because you're on the left.

This—

yeah, just like a goalpost you see on a football field.

That's a left field. That's a left field. I don't know what he's talking about. Left field, you know, that's the outfield. So you're trying to do something— it's a foul ball, it can hit that hole even though it's been there forever. So that's just a light pole. So that's something the city would— we could put something. Yeah, this would help somebody. Yeah, I mean, if they hit it, I understand it wouldn't be probably less damage, like an apron around the bottom of the hole is what you're talking about. Or Like you have around a goalpost. Yeah, like a big pole, like, uh, kind of Velcros, and it maybe goes up 6 feet or— okay, I got you. So if somebody hits it, then it's not a—

correct.

We can ask him because that's right. That's not—

that's not a—

that's a city pole. That's just a city pole. I know he's talking about having to put it on the new pole. No, I mean, I was talking about this pole.

I thought that was Is that the end zone?

I don't know, my turn. I think it is.

All right, anybody else got any comments or concerns?

No, sure, we're good going forward now. Okay, great, sounds good. Thank you, Steve.

Okay, so why doesn't everyone just grab your food, uh, fairly quickly and then just come back to your seat and we'll carry on.

Oh, we need to have a prayer.

Dave Spencer, would you like to say the prayer?

Our dear Heavenly Father, we bear our hearts before you this day, we thank you for many blessings and for the beautiful weather we have. Help you to live in this great city. Thank you for the opportunity to serve, and bless us to intercede the bodies in this meeting and have the joy of believing. We say, in Jesus' name.

Amen.

All right, we're going to move on.

We've got limited time, so let's move on to our Hillcrest Park discussion.

Hillcrest Park, you ready? I'll tell you what, that dinner that you were eating smells mighty fine. Mayor, council, we appreciate the opportunity to come give you a update on the Hillcrest Park project. You recall that we have Blue Line Design here. Representing Blue Line Design is Brent Potter, as well as Scott Stevens. And representing WPA Architecture over here in the corner is Bruce Fallon.

These 3 gentlemen will present tonight. What we've done is we've taken the desires and your recommendations From the last gathering that we were here and implemented that into a new design, and I think that you will be very pleased with what you see.

There is a 3D model that we would like to show you tonight as well.

It gives us a very good, better picture of what this park will actually look like. I was actually in hopes of having representatives from Budd Mahalas Construction here as well.

As you might recall, they have been selected as the CMGC contractor, but unfortunately they were not available to be here tonight.

So we're going to turn the time to Scott, and he'll guide us through that, and we'll just address any questions that you may have as we go along.

Yeah, thanks, Lane. So what we have here, this is the concept that we last showed you. What was it, about 2 months ago? And so, since that time, we've continued to make some adjustments and modifications to the design as things have progressed. One of the things that came out in the last work session was circulation around the park. There was concern that there was not a way to get around on the north side, around these courts, so we've addressed that. Additionally, we've made some other updates. We'd like to go through those with you today. So this is the current design for the Hillcrest Park. One of the things to look at with the design— this is circulation routes. So what we have done here is we've added a pathway on the north side of these pickleball courts that allows you to do a loop as shown in red. And we've actually got a few different walking loops that Are highlighted here with the corresponding distances. Obviously, as you know, people are walking in the park, there's a number of different routes and options that they could take. We feel like that adding the walkway on the north side there, that provides a little bit of additional flexibility with our design, makes it a little more serviceable to get pickleballs if you know somebody hits over the fence or whatnot. Additionally, it kind of makes this center area a little bit more— quiet, and so this is kind of more geared toward the people playing pickleball. A couple other circulation items we want to talk to you about. So with the building, this will be kind of the primary entrance here on the south side, which connects to the parking area. Secondary entrance would be here on the north side, and there would also be concessions potentially in this area. Restrooms would be accessed from this north side, so there's a lot of activity happening there on the north side.

The round gazebo is new construction?

Right, everything's new construction except for the school, right? So yes, so this is the splash pad where we're proposing for the splash pad, so that's located just off the restrooms. Also, additionally, there's mechanical space within the existing school that we're going to be utilizing for the pumps. And the vault and everything else that's associated with the filtration, the coordination, all that stuff is associated with the water feature. That will all be serviced from that building. And then those areas around there, we'll talk about this a little bit more, is some shade and seating areas.

I do have a question.

Yeah, splash pads usually are moms and kids, and so family dressings/restrooms are really important for Because you're kind of trying to, you know, confine your children. So are we going to have, quote, family restrooms or dressing rooms around there at all?

I believe, yes, that there are 2 large restrooms, family style, big enough for mom and child or children.

Okay, okay.

It's just really hard to keep them, you know, you kind of change them.

That's a good point. Very good point. Rose has got this camera on.

That's because I did it yesterday with my grandkids. I'm like, stop, come in the room.

So 2 single occupancy restrooms.

Well, it'll actually be— there'll be actually 14 stalls within that restroom area. They'll all be gender-neutral stalls, and 2 of them will be large enough that you can get in with a family to help little children and so forth. Did I state that correctly? Are they men and women's? Men and women and also— Okay.

You said they're gender neutral, but I mean, just explain that.

All of them are gender neutral? Yes. Can I answer that?

So there's just—

they're individual stalls with the door, walls from floor to ceiling, so they're enclosed. And like I said, the 2 larger ones meet accessibility requirements as well, but it basically goes off to the rest of the world while you take care of your business.

So you have full privacy?

Yes, just as if you went to the restroom right out here.

Do they have a door or a stall, or what are they like?

It's a door.

Exterior entrance? I mean, you don't go in and then enter the door.

It'd be like a half bath at your house.

Yes.

So, so why do the general— why don't we just do men and women?

Well, that's, that's, that was the desire of the city to go that direction.

It's the side of the city to have general—

No, I, I think, I think the conversation really did center on the family nature of it and trying to accommodate families while at the same time accommodating individual private stalls so that there would be accommodations.

I just prefer not sharing with men, frankly.

I like having my own.

Is this similar to the rec center though?

Yeah, in terms of the family aspect, yeah. It's designed in the same manner as the rec center. It has a separate locker room. There's a male and a female locker room that includes toilet and shower amenities, but there's also the family, uh, and all of the bathrooms throughout it are gender neutral.

Just a door, it doesn't matter if men or women use it.

Correct.

So if a mom has her son or whatever, she can kind of let her into the restroom, know that, you know, you know what's going on in there, get the door closed. And then the washing area is kind of central to all that.

I don't like sharing with men. I think the ones at the right center— and I'm sorry to be graphic—

I think most women would simply not go to that.

You're smiling.

But the nice thing is, I don't like sharing with anybody, so I I'm just saying I wish there were some that were just women, so then if you wanted to have that— if you wanted to wait, if they were occupied, you could have that choice of waiting to go in one that's just the women. Only women go in.

Because you got it now, you've got families, you have men, women, and family.

Yeah, that's my opinion.

So is it the desire of the council to change our way of thinking with these gender-neutral?

So where's— where are the rest of them? They're up in this corner right here. So this sidewalk here will allow for that entrance into the bathroom from the outside. There'll be a door on the interior of the building that will allow you to go in the restroom. So similar to what we have at the fitness center, where there will be access prevalent in the building, and some of the other— obviously there's going to be a sport court in the building as well as access from outside the building, like we have into the pool area. In fact, if we have time, we can actually bring up the drawing. Bruce has one on his electronic device. If we wanted male-female bathrooms separate, it's not easy.

Yeah, say 2 and 2 and then 6 of gender neutral. So if you wanted to wait, not exclusive.

Money, or what's that option?

You got it on that? You got a computer?

Yeah, I can show us what we're talking about.

You want to bring that up, Chris?

You got that? So how about this?

How about if we continue with what our discussion is here, and then we'll come back to the restrooms?

Is that okay?

Okay, let's go ahead.

Okay, yes, we want to talk with you a little bit about the splash pad area. As mentioned, it's here shown in blue. So kind of the basis of design, this is a comparably sized splash pad to what we're anticipating for this project, with several rows of nozzles kind of around this concentric circle.

Is this one somewhere near us or just a stock photo?

So this isn't necessarily near us, but it's— this is Casper, Wyoming.

Looks fun.

And so yeah, so with the nozzles on here, they have the ability to kind of turn on and off in sequence. You know, there's a central nozzle in the middle that we anticipate being a larger nozzle that would be more of a showpiece, but to kind of be motion, kind of constantly things turning on and off. When the system's not running, it'll be a flat ground plane. So no above-ground components associated with it. This is kind of a view of it coming from the west. But surrounding the splash pad, there would be areas, seating with benches, there'd also be seating with tables, and also be abutting some lawn areas. So the goal would be to provide a variety of seating for people around that splash pad.

There's the answer.

Councilmember Spencer, you know, it's the Shades Church.

Yes. Nice. It's really nice.

And then outside of the building, this is an outdoor plaza area, kind of an outdoor extension of the building. And so we envision this being a place that, you know, during when the building's open, you know, people might come inside, outside. But this is just off the kind of the northeast side of the building. You see a trellis structure here. Some of the elements within this area, there's outdoor ping pong. And so for, if you're not familiar with that, it's pretty robust tables. that, you know, they can weather the elements and withstand vandalism that are out there. It's up to people to kind of bring their own paddles and ping pong balls. There's also a couple 9-square courts that could be used by the public, and then there'd be seating and space for people to sit outside with tables, night lighting. And again, the goal of this space is just to kind of create an outdoor extension of the building.

And during the daytime, that'd be quite hot.

Yeah, so I think— and actually it's not shown here, but we'd anticipate having some shade incorporated with some of the—

with the uptakes as well.

So the pickleball courts are lit, I assume?

Yeah. Okay, cool.

and I saw these, they're like cement ping pong or whatever. Oh yeah, and people were loving it. So I've seen those in other cities.

Yeah, I think, I think it'd be a fun element. So I think, you know, what we'd like to do is show you, uh, kind of a 3D animation rendering that Brent's put together. Um, it's representative of kind of the general layout of the park. There's certain elements like playground features and stuff that Well, there's some stuff shown there that's not necessarily representative of what would be installed. There's still— we're still working through the design process on a number of the elements, but it should hopefully give you a little bit of an understanding of kind of the general layout and what we're anticipating. Are there any questions before we go to that?

I have a question.

Um, are you foreseeing any big supply chain issues? I was told that cement right now in Utah is just impossible to get.

Yeah, so it's actually— yeah, the cement, yeah, the actual powder that goes into it. Yeah, so there's a shortage of that. There's— I mean, there's shortages with a number of things. I think that's one of the goals with having to bring in the contractor on board Is to help us identify some of the lead time on those type of items, and so that we can, we can get them in the queue and make sure that— the short answer to your question is, are we?

Yes, we are anticipating supply chain issues.

Just kind of the world we're living in. Everything even from sprinklers to even plant materials.

That concrete tank's getting a lot of sun.

Yeah.

So basically, you can see we're coming in from the west side, southwest corner, flying into the park, and we're going to basically do a sweep of the playground area. And a lot of the, the, I'll say, more heavily active areas on the southern part of the whole— Again, like Scott said, playground areas are representative of a playground area. The specific equipment may not necessarily be those items. We are looking to incorporate a lot more natural play elements into the areas, but that area on the west was for younger kids moving into an older kids section.

Any shade over some of these?

And yeah, we have on the southern side, we'll have more shaded benches and areas for the parents to watch their kids. Followed by more of a demonstration area. It'll be more planted in the northeast corner of the site. But once we zoom out here, you get a real good grasp of the scale of this central playground. That's on the bottom. What is that? What is the— It's, it's, it is the mulch, the modified playground. Engineered wood fiber. So, um, is the— all together, is that a better thing?

I mean, we're at the end of its life.

We're gonna have to replace that one probably pretty soon. It's a yearly maintenance thing. It's, it's not the easiest thing to take care of, the ground. This is the poured-in-place rubber. Yeah, but is that the best thing for a playground? I think the softball is the best option. Yeah, I mean, standard use and all that. Again, the relevant area was for accessibility. Sure, it is significantly more expensive. What is the light? There's a 7-year warranty. We have warranty work on that from the very first— Have they improved anything?

You know, we haven't engaged them to see what kind of latest technology is.

I would guess for that size of playground, 8 years ago, that our park was $250,000 just for the surface.

You're probably pushing half a million or more. Yeah.

I mean, it is nice.

I mean, everybody would love it on every playground. It is nice. I like it. But it doesn't wear— doesn't wear out very well. High maintenance. Under the 9 square, I would base artificial turf rather than natural turf.

Is that part of the plan to redo the outside of the building?

Yes, very similar to what you're seeing there. There's some sides and a roof over the concession area and stuff. Very similar. Is that all artificial turf? Looks nice.

We hear you guys do all your mowing on a crisscross.

So are we going to do some things with the city where people can donate money, you know, for, you know, like you have a brick in your name or a tree or a bench or just a way to offset some of this?

I mean, I'm sure we could begin that process. Usually, uh, about the last 6 months of a project. That's when, that's when you get people excited about the small donation opportunities.

Because I, you know, I think a tree would be pretty cool. You know, someone said we donated that tree. They don't need a plaque.

As long as they let us, you know, replace it. Senior, they have access into parks.

Okay, from the rehab center.

This— you were last time telling us about need for increased parking. I'm assuming this reflects that.

This does. So the original concept, I think, had one kind of bay of parking, if you will. So an additional bay has been added to this design here.

Do you know how many parking spots you have?

Um, I don't know that off the top of my head. I guess in the upper 300s-ish. Maybe not that high.

Do you think this is pretty representative of parking spots?

Yeah, this is representative of— yeah, this is representative of the general Yeah, so the bulk of it being up here in the front with some additional in the back, and then even some along the side here as well.

Jamie, are we preserving— the well's not going to be there now?

So right now we are not going to put the well on site, but are going to reserve a spot for future It's just pricing right now is crazy expensive, so we're not going to put a well on the site right now. We are going to consider that.

Then the other thing we've talked about was opening that road or not opening that road on the northwest.

So, so we do have— there is, you can see, there is access to the rehab center to the west. But there's not vehicular access into the Woodbury property to come to the west. So one of the other conversations we had is— Yeah, yeah, yeah, university, there's foot traffic. Yeah, yeah. We were also very kind of mindful of parking for Pickleball, so that, for example, you didn't have to park in the south parking lot. We wanted to make pickleball parking accessible on the north and west corners. So that's why you see, for example, some additional stalls. And then down the west frontage of the property, you can see some additional stalls that have been placed there. So rather than having For example, everybody can cart whatever they need into the building or into the splash pad or to the pickleball courts. You can kind of access parking based on proximity to where the amenity is you're interested in using or enjoying. You also will see that we have provided pedestrian access. To University Parkway. Originally, there was a discussion about having 2 access points there. We are not really that excited about providing a lot of access, but having one access, we think, is, is obviously appropriate.

And that closely ties in with the crosswalk.

Yeah, it's tied to the crosswalk.

How about as far as the inside of the school?

What's going on there? Inside of what?

Inside the school.

Inside the building itself. You want to bring your building real quick?

We've got a couple more minutes here.

A couple more minutes, but we need to come back to the restroom conversation.

That's going to be part of this drawing. Do you need a Lightning adapter or what? No, it's got the Lightning adapter and HDMI. Usually it's all plugged in, it shows up. So is there questions that we can address while we're waiting for that? I mean, I can maybe just pass around.

Yeah.

So I think where we left off was we got something about concerns about the way the bathrooms are organized. So I guess we can talk about the pros and cons of the different setups.

So how many bathrooms do you have?

So, so there's— so yeah, that's the bathroom we have. So there's one large restroom with 14 stalls that are each individually enclosed with the door floor to ceiling, uh, 2 large accessible stalls that we're Work for the family, or just changing room, similar to the way the rec center is on the non-male, female, right? Okay. And so I'm assuming— I've never been— yeah, I've been to the rec center, but I've never used the restroom. So, and then just a central wash sink. Our experience is we try to leave those open from side to side so that the visibility from overseeing what's happening in that restroom is important.

So this large restroom, there could be a lady in the stall next to me?

Correct.

But there's not a stall.

But there's a separate room.

There's a wall. It's a room. Have you been in the rec center changing room?

It's a room.

I'm looking at the picture. Yeah, I understand what a rec center is. I understand what the room is.

Yeah.

That's not a stall.

That's not a stall.

Yeah, but still a stall, right?

Correct.

I mean, what do you call that? You open it, you go and sit on the pot. What's that called?

Yeah, so it has a full door, a standard door. There's no, there's no openings.

There's no gap at the back. It's got just a standard toilet partition.

Then you share the sinks and you— yeah, correct.

So there's no passing.

How big are those stalls? How wide are those?

They're minimum 3 feet wide.

Is there a benefit?

If I need to tuck myself in or something, I got to do it in the stall because I can't go out in front of the window, the mirror, right? What women do.

I understand.

Where do you— are you changing your clothes in there too?

You could, but most of the time it's going to be in the 2 larger stalls.

Is there a benefit from a cleanliness standpoint or cleaning, or is that either way?

I think there's 6. I mean, couldn't you just do a wall down the middle and you got shirts and then have male, female.

Well, then, but the issue you have there is, is, you know, generally you need more women opportunities.

Or if you have a dad bringing a young lady or a mom bringing a son, you actually need more than 2 family dressing rooms.

Yeah.

And I, and I'm—

and they need to be separate and they can go either way. I'm kind of with Lynnae.

I really like the idea of having some female and male, maybe a few gender neutral somehow, you know, between. But I'd rather have more family, family dressing rooms.

A hybridized option. I mean, in Palisades, you could put a male or female.

If you're worried about—

oh, just the sign.

Yeah.

Yeah.

To me, that's one issue. The other issue is just that when you exit from doing your business, you know, I mean, I tuck in, I check, you know, but that— this is just almost uncomfortable for me. I'm going to second that.

I guess you guys can't go to the park.

So you put a wall down there and you have a men and women's toilet?

I just want to answer sort of to your point, the pros, at least from the staff side, having managed the family change rooms environment, everything like that.

Number one, this would allow us to put Or to have some like glass partitions and glass doors into the hand sink washing area. And so from like a child safety perspective, this keeps more eyes on what is a very vulnerable space for us, so it makes it more of a shared space. The second would additionally, maybe to the size of the room, prevent an environment like this in City Park from becoming a, you know, potentially like a shelter or like an unintended consequence of someone having a large room with a sink and a toilet and, you know, 35 square feet of space where they could sort of camp out for the day. And so, not to say that that has to go one way or the other, but the line of thinking was to keep the intended purpose of these restrooms— high turnover, high visibility— and trying to balance that with Some of these other concerns. So that was sort of the reason that we explored something like this, you know, from a maintenance, cleanliness, and safety traffic area.

I just see a little girl going in there to use the bathroom and some man following her in there and coming out washing his hands next to her, talking to her. You know, she's in this space that's supposed to be safe. And maybe mom says, go use the bathroom, come on out when you're done. I just— that just makes me uncomfortable.

I have the same concern. And see, parks seem to collect some of these folks sometimes.

Because there's a difference.

You have no safety to know who's in the stall next to you. I mean, it's the same thing. So I have 5 daughters. So one of my, you know, when they were young, if they're going to go in one of the stalls, I don't know who's next to them. It's not like they're going in the women's restroom.

Well, the benefit is you can go in there with her.

Certainly look at other options.

And I've lobbied for 4 family changing rooms.

Maybe the family changing rooms you can access from the outside, that's separate from—

So then the dads, you know, who are there with their kids can actually—

they don't have to— And maybe before family one that's up in the corner and then Yeah, but it's for indoor and outdoor.

So there's no urinals in that one, right?

Correct.

There's no urinals, just all toilets.

Yeah, we can just look at that, see if we can find a better solution.

Thank you.

What you're saying, that part of that solution would be if you split it, but then you would have to add more family Well, I'm telling you, 2 is not going to be enough.

We have, what, 19 at our, at our pool?

And I was in Provo yesterday and they had 18, and there were maybe 2 that were available.

Now, granted, it's a pool, but a splash pad, you're going to have several families and you don't want to wait so long that, you know, one's going to shower or change. I mean, it can be 15, 20 minutes to wait for a—

What are you doing?

We have no—

No, but she's just saying some pro bono ones do, some do not.

No.

Okay. Well, you might want to rinse off a kid who's been in a splash pad.

I don't know.

So I think we're winding up that we would have— we would have men and women separated. We would have a number of family restrooms, right?

So more than—

More than 2. I mean, ideally I'd like 4 because I, I see a lot of moms bringing their kids here.

If you pull the picture, you have one there in the corner, they can be accessed from the outside. And then you figure out that—

Yeah.

Really, it's a matter of— I think a lot of it will come down to cost.

We now have a men's locker room, a women's locker room, and several family change rooms. What percentage of the park is being spent on the restrooms in the park?

And it has to be a percentage. So I think a until we have a number, a cost evaluation, it's hard to say what the exact right number is. But if we were to do 16 family change rooms—

No, I'm not asking for—

I know you are, but then we have no part left to build.

But the men and women's section, that should be pretty simple. It's the family restrooms would cost more, right?

Because, you know, the redundancies and the square footage and the fixtures and all of that, we start to double spend— is that a fair representation?

We start to double spend on some of the requirements of restrooms at the cost of other amenities in the park.

So, Brent, my question to you: when I go to the Whirlpool— well, half the time your pool's not open, but when it is, there's not as many as in Provo, okay, as far as families, whatever. But I do see a lot of neighborhood kids coming down here with their moms, do whatever. And so I never think Like I said, I was in Provo yesterday and there were 2 open ones out of 18.

2.

And so 4 to me does not seem excessive, or even—

I don't—

I just know what it's like to have a bunch of little kids trying to get them dressed, trying to change their diapers, trying to contain them.

At the same time, you also have a very seasonal use for those. that splash pad, you're spending— you need to kind of balance the needs of year-round use versus seasonal use.

Okay, well, we don't call it dressing room, I call it a family bathroom.

May to September?

Memorial Day? You don't go past September. Pickleball in November.

What happens at Palisades?

We actually used existing bathrooms when we built the Palisades.

bathrooms being used a lot? People get in and out easily? Are they used for changing rooms? Do we know?

I mean, I can't speak to the everyday use. I don't think there's been issues.

So Debbie, you need a lot more for the women than the men, because the women are the ones taking the children in mostly. And the women have stalls.

The men just—

you just need a wall of urinals. It's not like you need a whole bunch of separate stalls for the men.

Well, I've seen a few toilets.

A few, a few. Yeah, but you know what I mean? It's not— it doesn't have to be.

I'm also going to lobby for the playground. That's an extensive playground. Maybe I'm not going to go swimming. Maybe I'm just going to go have the boys and the girls go with the mom to go to the bathroom. You don't have to call them dressing room, just call them a family bathroom. But make sure that there, you know, there's a bench they can sit on and change, you know.

Okay, so we're gonna have to wrap up.

So that's—

I'm just lobbying.

It sounds like that's what they want to do. So we're asking you to come back to the optimal, cost-effective options.

And then Le Carnet and Debbie. Okay, there's Max. Okay, anything else?

We're gonna have to move on. Okay, well, thank you for that. That park looks awesome. It's gonna be amazing, I think. All right, finally we just need to run through the agenda for tonight.

So, so let's run through this.

We've only got 8 minutes. Um, so we'll have a regular session. We'll have a Call to order, invocation, Pledge of Allegiance. Um, I don't have anyone for Pledge of Allegiance, so if anyone has a friend or anyone that's going to be out there— serious, actually, Stephanie is going to be here.

Stephanie, can I do the meeting?

Would you do the Pledge of Allegiance? That would be awesome.

Thank you.

Okay, got that. Um, And we'll have an annual report from the Summerfest Committee, and we'll have an annual report from the Heritage Advisory Commission. We'll have personal appearances. Item 10, we'll have our consent items, which is the ordinance for the care tax revenue, uh, the resolution for civil infractions, that's fines for civil Infractions and the resolution for appointment of a representative to the Utah Lake Authority.

So, Mayor, I'm going to pull that one off, the resolution for civil infractions, because I want to make an amendment that we— our red curb infractions be 25 instead of 30, because we found some inconsistencies with the schools. And there, I talked to Aaron about it, there's just no way to really differentiate between Okay, so isn't your concern school zones?

Could you say it's 25 in school zones?

Do we table it? I don't know. What did you talk to Aaron about this?

Yeah, so I mean, it's up to you if you want to pull it off the consent. It's on consent agenda and talk about it, you know. If you want to just— if you know what you want to amend it to, you could do it at the meeting and then still vote on it. If you feel like you need more time to talk about it outside the meeting, continue.

Let's just continue because I think I'm unclear as to the— talking to Aaron about it.

Okay, so we'll just continue that one.

Okay, so we'll—

so the consent items, we'll pull that off.

And how does that work? Pull it off?

Okay, Steve, you'd have to pull it off.

Yeah.

Pull off the consent.

So you need a motion to pull off the consent item and then a motion to continue.

And we don't have to have any discussion, we could just do—

yeah, just on that one item, we pull it off, we vote on that, and then we go back to consent items and we vote on the rest, right?

Correct. Okay, so will you make the motion to pull it up?

All right, scheduled items, appointments to boards and commissions.

That's Linda Parkinson.

And actually, let me go back to the Lake Authority. Um, on the Lake Authority, we're going to have a resolution, and that resolution is going to be, uh, to have Terry go on the new Lake Authority, and then we're going to move Jeff to the UVU board. Are those normally done by resolutions changing, or just an assignment, but just because it's the Utah Lake Authority, the new authority, they require that in the new state. They said that we would buy resolution points, so we won't, we won't switch you in this.

That'll just be, um, I think Linda Parkinson is going to be here.

She's here.

Okay.

So we've got those 2, both to the Neighborhood Advisory Board. And then, and with that, we don't— we haven't— what are we doing as far as recognizing them? We just recognize them, but we're not going to have them stand up.

Yeah, you can have her stand up.

Okay, the only time we do that is Planning Commission. And then we've got item 11.12, public hearing resolution. Let's see, we'll receive public comment on the Community Development Block Grant. That's what we discussed.

Yep.

So this is what we're actually going to vote.

Okay, so this is just public comments.

Public comment, a brief presentation, not near the one before.

So they will do a minor presentation.

Minor presentation. And then now you actually vote on the allocation.

The next we've got, motion, conditional use Permits. This is to approve this tower that we were just talking about.

No, that's the tower we're talking about. It's a different— it's on top of the roof of Alpine Creek.

You're seeing a presentation on it, Jason.

And it's not an open— it's not a public hearing, I think. But the mayor can obviously—

so where are we at with that?

Alpine Creek?

Yeah, does everybody agree that we're Are we voting on that?

It isn't. It's a resolution.

Okay, so we had a conversation about that.

You've been planning—

did it go through the Planning Commission?

Yeah, I had a conversation with some of the neighbors.

But so, so I mean, I don't know much about this.

And I'll explain in there. Basically, they can have them on the roof without having it concealed as a permitted use, or they can have it concealed and the council has to concealment of the antennas. So it's not a matter of having the antennas on the roof, it's whether or not the council wants them to be concealed as a stealth or not. Okay, that's the question.

We decided we want that to be concealed or not. The proposal is to have it concealed.

If the council chooses not to have it concealed, they're going to put the antennas on the roof anyway. Okay, it's just a matter of do you want them enclosed like a penthouse, enclosed, you can't see the antennas, or do you want—

So this is a motion to conceal that antenna?

Yes.

And they already have the rights to use This, Jason?

They do. Okay. The difference is the stealth component has to be approved by the city council.

Okay, then we got—

we don't want a big pine tree up there.

Sure. Item number 12, monthly financial summary.

That's just an FYI for you, including your packet.

Okay, so we don't have to discuss that. And we've got anything that Jamie wants to go over, then we adjourn. And then when we adjourn, don't go away because we're going to, uh, we're going to move to a closed meeting after this, and that's going to deal with the police station.

No, it's going to be in Room 107.

So that's not the conference room down here?

Yes.

Okay. All right, we'll discuss. I'll take it out.

The mic's on.

Oh, that one is. You're going to do it from here. Perfect. Either one. We just turn the mic on. Pretty good. Okay.

All right, we'd like, we'd like to call this meeting to order. I'd like to welcome you out tonight. And, uh, as a matter of explanation, the reason some of us are dressed up and some of us aren't is we went on a hike up to the, uh, the water treatment facilities up at the mouth of the canyon just to educate the city council on how our entire water system works. So it was very educational and very beautiful up there, but that's why we're casual tonight.

Some of us—

I did go on.

He did go on the hike, but he went back and changed, so Yeah, who am I sucking up to? So yeah, put that in the minutes. Okay, um, to start out with, we've got a special guest here tonight. And to make sure I get this right, Rajan Zed?

Yes.

Okay, Rajan Zed is the president of the Universal Society of Hinduism. And he is going to offer our prayer.

Okay, starting with Gayatri Mantra, which is considered the most sacred mantra of Hinduism, I shall be reading from ancient Hindu scriptures, some of us are as old as 1500 before the Common Era, and then interpret in English. May all rise, please.

Om.

We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme who's inside the heart of the earth, inside the life of the sky, and inside the soul of the heaven. May he stimulate and illuminate our minds. Lead us from the unreal to the real. Lead us from darkness to light. Lead us from death to immortality. Strive constantly to serve the welfare of the world. By devotion to selflessness, one attains the supreme goal of life. Do your work with the welfare of others always in mind. Om saha navavatu saha naubhunaktu saha viryan karva bahai tijasvi naavaditamastu ma vidvisabahai. May we be protected together. May we be nourished together. May we work together with great vigor. May our study be enlightening. May no obstacle arise between us. United your resolve, united your hearts. May your spirits be at one, that you may long together dwell in unity and conquered. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. Peace, Peace, peace be unto all. Oh, thank you.

Please be seated.

Thank you, Reza.

I appreciate it.

Appreciate that. Now we'd like to have the Pledge of Allegiance, and I've asked Stephanie if she could come lead us in that. Please rise.

Please repeat the pledge after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Stephanie.

Item 8.1, we'd like to have an annual report from the Summerfest Committee, and this will be Steve Downs.

Katrina, our Summerfest chair.

Oh, okay. And Katrina Beale, thank you.

So, let me—

if I could introduce— we have a Summerfest Commission that does so much of the heavy lifting every year for Summerfest. Debbie's been our council representative for a few years and can speak to the fact of and to attest to how much they do. Katrina has been volunteering for a few years and this year took on the role as chair, but Katrina's service to the community goes well beyond Summerfest. Her and another mother in our community are the minds behind the Altogether Playground. And so we've known Katrina for 7 or 8 years, loved her that entire time, and our appreciation for her just grows as she takes on new roles, continues to serve the community.

Yeah, so our theme for this year was Orem United. We wanted to bring Orem together and include that as our Summerfest theme.

Thanks.

So our Summerfest mission statement was showcasing the citizens of Orem through service and recognition of service. These are our partners that we are working with this year and our supporters and a list of all of them that are supporting us this year.

I think in total we get just about $60,000 from our sponsors to help cover much of the cost of Summerfest.

So this—

we really couldn't do what we, what we do without their help.

No, they're huge.

You know, most of them— there is some in-kind. I would say the majority of them are financial contributors though, for sure.

So this is our Summerfest committee. I'm the chair. Liz Wolfe is the vice chair. Christy Eakins, Bill Blyle, Annie Turner, Ashley Mann, Haley Barlow, Ashley Coleman, John and Catherine Whitaker, Shelley Seestrand, and Vanessa Sewell. Sewell, sorry. And then these are the staff with Orem City that help us out with Summerfest, and they work with us every year on it. And then we wanted to invite the public and the City Council to all of our events that are happening during the week of Summerfest. We have activities every single day, Monday through Saturday, lots of fun activities. And it starts Monday with the Summerfest kickoff and Saturday with the parade and the baby contest and fireworks. Our Summerfest magazine will be coming out later this week, hopefully tomorrow or later, and it will have all of the details and specifics of everything there. But we hope to see you all there, and we hope to see lots of Orem residents and public there supporting our Summerfest activities this year. Thank you very much.

Any, any questions at all from the council? Or Debbie, would you—

anything you'd like to add?

Yeah, first of all, um, Thank you so much. This is a time-intensive committee, especially this time of year, and I appreciate that. I do want to draw up the fact that we're having a new carnival. And do you want to talk a little bit about the carnival and what— that's going to be an improvement. And I think, I think that's going to be a— it'll be well received.

Yeah, we hired a new carnival company this year.

The year—

the company we used prior, we'd used for a number of years, but there was some a variety of issues that are still under litigation, so we're not— we won't speak too much to it, but it caused us to, to go out to bid for a new company. We advertised it, we got this company. They're based out of California. They travel all over the West. Most of them station in California, Arizona, because they can go year-round in those areas in the winter, so they station there. Some of the changes this year will be all-you-can-ride wristbands. We haven't provided that in the past. Everything's being done electronic through through kind of self-kiosk and cards that you'll tap onto the rides to use your tickets. And one of the best things, as Councilmember Larray mentioned, is at the end of every— at the end of every Summerfest, there's always people that had all these unused tickets and they had already paid for them. And now those— anything that had been paid for and unused, they can be used for food as well. So people should be able to utilize all the money that they may have put in. It's a— well, it's a very reputable company that has done some pretty significantly at some large events. And we're looking forward to working with them.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other questions, comments?

I just say, I know Kat, she's a neighbor of mine. And she is one of the most hardest working people I know. And this is amazing. Thank you so much for doing this. We appreciate— she's a busy, busy mom. But she somehow fits on all this service.

And you saw her— there's another, uh, her husband's on the committee as well, so she's doing the work of 2, and it really is amazing.

I talked him into it.

Bill contributes as well.

Yes, he does.

Yep.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for that. Next up, we've got a presentation, uh, an annual report for the— from the Heritage Advisory Commission. With Russ Neden.

That would be me, Your Honor.

So, Russ Neden for the Heritage Commission, just, uh, checking in. Uh, in front of each of you should be a brochure for the upcoming Memorial Day event next Monday at 9 o'clock. I'd like to extend a personal invitation to all of you, and a couple of you because you're on the program, Uh, the Orem Heritage Commission, uh, is a group of volunteers who are appointed by the mayor. We're assigned 7 members. We currently have 6, so if anybody's interested, we can always use a little bit of help. And some of our folks are getting a little bit long in the tooth, and they've been serving for a long time. So I'd like to mention American Legion Post 72 Commander Brad Prescott. He, along with Dan Barrett, put the city cemetery— been instrumental in updating the flags, poles, in addition to and adding an additional flagpole for the POW/MIA flag. So that's been just recently mounted. So if you get a chance to drop by, the cemetery looks incredible and the memorial itself looks great. Any questions for me?

All right, thank you very much.

Okay, thank you for that. We'll move on to our personal appearances. Just like to read through this. Time has been set aside for the public to express their ideas, concerns, and comments on items not scheduled as public hearings on the agenda. Those wishing to speak are encouraged to show respect for those who serve the city. Comments should focus on issues concerning the city. Those wishing to speak should have signed in before the beginning of the meeting. Please limit your comments to 3 minutes or less. And then I have a list here of 3 people that have signed up, and I'll just call you up one at a time. First, we've got Courtney Packer.

Okay, okay, great.

So I am with an organization, I'm a volunteer on the steering committee of 100 Women Who Care, and it is a pass-through organization that allows— that helps nonprofit organizations locally. So what we do is we get together once a quarter. once a quarter, and we all have 3 nonprofit organizations— they need to be 501s that are local— come and present. And they share with us their mission and the projects that they're working on, and all of the women who are present vote on who should get that money. So kind of think of it as a nonprofit Shark Tank. And the winning organization gets $100 from each of the women present, whether that woman voted for them or not. Recently, we have given money to an organization called TLC, Timpanogos Legal Council. They help with volunteer attorneys who facilitate people who are in need of some legal counsel and lawyers. who can't afford it otherwise. Somebody, an organization in Orem that won not too long ago was called My Story Matters, and one of their projects is to help people who are in the prison system to get out and live better lives rather than to recommit and recommit and recommit. It is a wonderful opportunity to help the community. It's a beautiful opportunity to remember that there's good in the world and to be part of that. And so I just wanted to bring that up with you guys because that's something that we hope that you'd be interested in, in helping to further the cause of local nonprofit organizations so we can try to get some more of that money going to Orem nonprofits. And we welcome you, even if whether you're a woman or not, we're trying to be more inclusive these days. And the only thing that can be seen as a downside of this organization is that we're not at 100 women. We are about 25 or 30 strong. We started this chapter about 3 years ago, which COVID has kept down quite a bit. Salt Lake City bumped up, jumped up to 200 members really, really quick. So in the Utes-Cougar race, we are not doing well. So we want to try to up those numbers and welcome you to join and be part of something beautiful. And I have these. I don't know if I can just leave them here for anybody who would be willing or wanting them.

So Courtney, could you just say how people can best contact your organization that want to be involved?

Sure.

So you can go to our website. Okay, thank you. Um, if you wanted to check out more details, you can go to our website. It's 100womenutahvalley.com, and there's contact information on there. And then it's Utah Valley— sorry, 100womenutahvalley@gmail.com. And yeah, any other questions?

So that's the email address, right? And the website is—

It's the same thing. Yeah, it's .com or @gmail.com.

Okay, Debbie.

So you said every woman gives $100. So is it a— like, you come with $100 to give that day and you do that multiple times a year, or what?

Yeah, so we do it once a quarter and you come with a check. Or recently what we've done is we've linked up with a website called Grapevine, and you can just give easily that way. You can even just sign up for automatic payments quarterly, make it really easy if you want.

So, okay.

Thank you.

Okay, that sounds like a great cause. Okay, we'll try and spread the word.

Okay, thank you so much.

Thank you. Next we've got Cody Hale.

Hello, I'm Cody Hale. I have lived here in Orem since 1984, and I've raised my family, and our grandchildren are now being raised here in Orem. And we've had a wonderful, wonderful stay here in Orem and continue and plan on continuing to do that because we love it here. I'm also a member of the Orem Arts Council and have been so since its inception. And back in 1990, we founded the Hale Centre Theatre Orem, and as a founding member, I would like to give a heartfelt thanks to all who have supported the arts through the City of Orem's CARE tax, from every person who has spent their hard-earned money in the City of Orem to the leadership of this city that has decided in the last 15 years where this money is to be allocated. These funds have allowed us to keep ticket prices low, and raise our production values to the quality that you would see on Broadway, where ticket prices are in the hundreds of dollars. What a joy it has been to bring this quality of theater to Orem and to see the enrichment it brings into so many lives. It has also allowed us to create an educational program for youth that brings this community some of the best theater for youth that I've ever seen. When I see the impact that it has on the youth, I see that it's changing their lives, changing them for the better. When I see the amazing talent that has been fostered through this program in these productions, I cannot hold back the tears. It's just amazing to see the talent that's being fostered. What an honor it has been to be the recipient of these funds for all these years, and I just wanted to say thank you.

Sincerely.

Thank you, Cody. Last on the list, we've got Matthew Schaefer.

Is that Matthew Schucher? S-C-H?

I think I thought that was just a sign-in sheet.

I, I'm on the agenda.

Oh, okay. So you're not on the— on this? I mean, you don't need to speak right now.

Okay.

All right. Okay, so now we're going to go to item number 10, the consent items.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we remove item 10.2, the resolution fines for civil infractions, from the consent items. To continue.

Okay.

Somebody want to second that?

Second.

I think the motion was just to pull it off the consent agenda, to move it to a regular item.

Move it to a regular item.

That way she can do that by herself.

Yeah. Do we need a second for that?

I actually think you can just— with one, if one person requests to be taken off the consent, I think that that's good enough.

Okay, so And then I'd also like to make a motion that we continue that item until our next meeting on June—

what's our next one?

14th. Are we good?

Second on that motion. I think that one needs a second, does it not?

Yes.

Okay.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

The motion passes.

Mayor, I make a motion to approve the other 2 consent items.

I second that motion.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye.

The consent items pass.

I do want to thank the Hale. I think that was a very classy, heartfelt appreciation, and I just wanted to appreciate the work that they have done, and we wish them the very best as they've had the good fortune to find funding in Pleasant Grove. Just know that we appreciate the programming, the wonderful programs, the artistic—

I've—

I'm a season ticket holder and I have appreciated. So I just want to say thank you for, for that. And I appreciate Cody's comments and we appreciate the service he's done on our Arts Council and consider him a great Orem citizen. So I just wanted to make that comment, if that's okay.

Okay. Yeah, I'd like to agree with that. That the HAL is a great organization, and they've done a lot of good things here in Orem. We're going to miss them as they move to Pleasant Grove, and we wish them the best, and we, we wish that our, our citizens here in Orem will continue to support them as we, we think it's a great organization. So we thank you for that. Okay, moving on to item 11.1. Appointments to boards and commissions. We've got the Neighborhood Advisory Board, and we want to appoint Linda Parkinson to that board. Linda, could you stand up?

Does that require a motion and second?

Yeah, to approve—

to approve them to the board.

Yeah.

Did you make that motion?

No.

I'd love to move to appoint Linda to— Linda Parkinson to the Neighborhood Advisory Board. I've known Linda for 30 or 40 years. Linda, thank you for coming today.

And I'll second that. I invited Linda to join our commission. I'm in charge of that commission, and she attended our first meeting as a citizen. Fantastic woman. Thank you so much for your dedication. We appreciate that, Linda.

Thank you.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

The appointment passes. Next, we've got a public hearing comment period. The city will receive public comment on Community Development Block Grants projected use of funds for fiscal year 2022 and 2023. We already had a significant presentation on that, and we'll just have a follow-up presentation and then we'll We'll have a public hearing and a vote.

Hello, Mayor and council members. Thank you for having us before you once again. And this will be a quick presentation, follow-up to our presentation last month.

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So we— it's a summary of our allocations for CDBG funding that we've received. The funding was announced last week and the amount was a little bit less than we expected, so it was reduced by nationally 4.5%, and Orem's reduction was a little bit higher than that. So here's a summary of the— of our recommendations now. We have adjusted the roof at the senior, the senior center.

They—

understanding is that they do have sufficient funding to still do that project, so we're using some savings there to help cover that. And we're also adjusting the CDBG administration. to help with that, offset that reduction in funding. That was— we didn't know when we made the recommendation initially what that funding amount would be. And so that's, that's our recommendation as to how to adjust for the lower funding.

Yeah, we reduced all the public services about by 6.3%. That was about the percentage that we had the reduction as well. And then we can only do 20% admin, so we had to reduce the admin to come within that 20%.

This is our total recommendation that does include some carryover and some income from the program. And so we presented most of this to you last month, so there any questions?

I do have a follow-up.

Last month I raised the alarm about MAG cutting back. Their Meals on Wheels. Do you know what the status of that is and where is the funding? I mean, I heard they found money somewhere.

Yeah, they were able to receive some emergency ARPA funds from the county.

I actually am on the advisory board for MAG for Seniors, and we had a meeting today and they said that they were okay.

So that was good to hear.

Short-term or long-term, did they say?

They didn't say, but they said that they feel like their budget is going to be okay.

Okay, so thank you for following up with that.

Any other questions? We'll open the public comment. There's any public comment?

Hi, Council, thank you for having me.

My name is Janelle Christiansen, and I'm the executive director of Family Haven, one of the recommended recipients of these CDBG funds, and I just wanted to come in, thank you for the consideration.

These funds make a huge difference to the clients that we serve in our mission to prevent and treat child abuse and family trauma for families in our community. And thank you for the consideration. We look forward— we appreciate the partnership that we've had in the past and look forward to being able to continue serving the community with these funds moving forward.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We'll close the public comment portion. And then we'll make— someone would like to make a motion to pass this allocation.

I'll make a motion. The City Council, by resolution, the city will receive public comment on the Public Development Grant Block CBG project use of funds for fiscal 2022-2023.

Second.

Is this a motion to receive public comment or to approve this, Steve? I'm not sure the motion was accurate. It's what's written on the agenda, but I'm not sure it was accurate.

Yeah, that's what I'm actually looking at too. It is, it is listed as just receiving public comment. On the projected use of funds, maybe kind of can clarify, are we actually trying to approve the budgeted amounts? Yes, we need—

so we had—

we have to have 2 public comment or 2 public hearings. We had one this month, last month, and one this month, and then they're supposed to approve it today.

Okay, so we can do our annual resolution with the City Council, approve the Community Development Block Grant, CDBG project use of funds for fiscal year 2022-2023.

Yeah, I'll second that motion.

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The motion passes.

Thank you.

We'll be back in a few weeks.

Okay, thank you.

You need a punch card for your presenter.

No kidding.

It only gives you another free presentation, so maybe you don't want it.

Okay, we'll move on to item 11.3. Jason Bench will give us a presentation on a T-Mobile conditional use permit. You just went on the hike, right, with us?

Thank you, Mayor. I'll let the applicant introduce himself, if that's okay.

Yeah, my name is Matt Schucher with Rage Development, contractor for T-Mobile on the project to put antennas on top of the Alpine Credit Union.

So before us tonight is a request for a stealth location for a cellular antenna on top of Alpine Credit Union. Typically, antennas that are roof-mounted are permitted by use. There are several of them throughout the city, and I'll show you some examples of what we have. But because they're wanting to enclose it and hide it from the general public, as far as what it actually would be as antennas, it does throw it into a stealth requirement, which under our ordinance requires the council, through a conditional use permit, to approve a stealth location or to consider it to be stealth in order for it to to be enclosed as they're proposing. So the location tonight is— you see the Alpine Credit Union here, and they're proposing to put the antennas, which we'll show you here on the next slide, in the upper corner at this location. The existing infrastructure on top of the roof for the Alpine Credit Union is already there. It projects a little bit above the roofline. They're proposing to project 10 feet above The top of the roof. It's recessed, has a little parapet on top, so it's recessed about 4 or 5 feet. They're going to actually— it's about a 15-foot-tall structure, originally going to see 10 feet of that as you drive by. Total allowance in the C-2 zone allows up to 30% of the roof to be covered with mechanical equipment, other things like that. The total existing equipment plus what These gentlemen's proposing equals 4%, so it doesn't cover a significant amount of roof. You can see it's at least 232 feet to the building itself from the residential property to the east. That's as close as State Street is. You can see on this picture on the top what it will look like driving by. The material that you see on the band of the roof is the same material that they'll use to enclose the antennas. So match the existing color and the existing material of that roof band. And you can see it goes around the bottom and the sides as well. So that's the similar stuff there. So the overall height of the building to the top of the parapet, or the— what you can physically see, the top of the building is 45 feet 6 inches. They're proposing a total height of 55 feet 6 inches. The maximum height that they could go is 58. So they're well under that requirement. Just a couple of examples of FiberNet down on 8th East, Squire Building, which is also on University Parkway on 8th East. All these are permitted antennas, so they basically have located those through a building permit process, but it is permitted. And so we, as long as they meet the height requirements of overall height in the C-2, they are permitted. Similar with this instance. Well, because they want to conceal them. That's why we're here tonight. If they just simply wanted to put them on the roof, they would have gone through a building permit process and they would have probably been on the roof already. So the Planning Commission did review it and did make a recommendation the council approve the conditional use. I'll be glad to address any questions, and I'm not sure if the applicant has anything additional to add.

I don't necessarily have any additional to say other than just I'm here to answer questions or Whatever you guys need.

Do we have any questions?

Terry?

So is it Matt, did you say?

Yes.

So, so Matt, just, just a concern we talked about in our work session. I don't know if you were in the meeting just before. I was just the controversy around these towers and people concerned about the health issues. I know they're in a lot of elementary schools and junior highs. things on both sides of that issue. So do you want to share with us your reaction to that and opinion?

As far as the health goes, I mean, everything is regulated by the FCC, FAA. We have to do so much regulatory to get one of these things built. It's basically the— so every carrier has allotted spectrum or what they have licensed as far as frequencies. And so that's all regulated and it's all considered safe by the government. And there was a Telecommunications Act of 1996 that basically prohibits a denial based on health because that is regulated by the federal government. So I've been around these for 20 years. I don't know. I'm not too worried about it. It's like a microwave. I mean, you don't want to stand right in front of an antenna for an extended period of time, but there's boundaries they put up and all sorts of regulations and signs and things to make it safe for everybody. If you have a contractor to go work on the roof, they'll be all of that stuff taken care of.

So are there some states that have banned them or have restrictions?

No.

No.

The Telecommunications Act is a federal statute. It's not per state. So it's— are you familiar? So yeah, there's no states that have banned them. I mean, I know there's news out there about 5G and people burning down towers in Europe and different things, but it's all the same. 3G, 4G, 5G, it's the same frequencies, the same regulations, and everything is managed by the federal government, I guess, is the best way. That's as simple.

Yeah, just elaborate on that. Like you said, that the Federal Telecommunications Act prohibits any state or local government entity from denying an application on the basis of health concerns, or I think electromagnetic radiation, those kinds of concerns.

Yeah, and in cases like that, I mean, we like— I mean, we're on apartment buildings and things like that, and we have to get I can't remember what it stands for— EME studies, electromagnetic something. Anyway, to make sure that it's, it's safe for any kind of tenant or person in the area.

Any other questions? Debbie?

The reason you want to close it is to aesthetics, make it blend better with the building, or?

Yeah, um, you know, we, uh, in, in working with Alpine Credit Union, um, we were looking at, like he was showing it, we typically do 3 sectors of antennas. So there's an alpha, beta, and gamma sector, and they point different directions to get the proper coverage. And It's pretty common on rooftops to do 3 different sleds that are about 10 by 12 feet. This is a unique situation where we have a higher rooftop, and I actually suggested this to Alpine Credit Union because we had a unique opportunity to enclose this to make it just look like a penthouse or a mechanical room, and it, it never looks that good. So I, I feel like we're We're trying to do what's best for the community, I guess, because ultimately we can throw up, you know, they're just not as pretty.

Thank you.

Yeah, so this is in my neck of the woods, and there were some neighbors who had questions about some of the materials that you were using to enclose the structure in. So would you maybe— yeah, would you maybe just outline that? And I, I've heard the conversations that you've had and the I think there's some good explanations that were given, and I believe the neighbors are accepting of this, but perhaps, you know, they were asking for maybe some different coverings, and could you possibly explain why you settled on what you settled on?

So we looked at multiple different options. Like I said, we— I have another photo simulation of what it would look like with just antennas up there as opposed to the thing, but I didn't bring those because that's not what we're proposing. I, I guess, uh, so basically we have to use like a, um, what is that stuff called? Anyway, it's got to be RF compatible, meaning radio frequency can shoot through it. So it's, it's like a fiberglass type material. And, and so there's limits on what you can do. Um, I mean, I, I know I've seen the trees and the different things that look This is probably one of the better looking sites I've ever looked at because we don't have to do 3 across the whole roof, and it's just a 10 by 12 box. So anyway, Alpine Credit Union, they have a board and this is what they voted to move forward with. We can do some different things, but it does get tricky. At times.

There were just some questions. Could you do it to match the wood on the front? And I think you've explained it, that the materials are very—

Yeah, we even talked about— I mean, originally they just actually wanted like the box that matched the trim of, um, and, and I just offered the fact that it might be more attractive this way. Um, but yeah, I mean, we even looked at doing a logo up there for another Alpine Credit Union thing or something like that. But this ultimately was what everyone voted on and decided on. Because we have to— I mean, we have to work with the city and everybody, but we also have to work with the landlord and make sure that they're happy.

So anything else?

I can make it uglier if you want. No, I'm just—

I was gonna ask you about that twitch. From the antennas. Anyway, uh, any other comments?

I mean, I think, uh, maybe ask Stephanie a question if she's— you're good with that. Yeah, you can come up if you would.

I don't know if I know the answer, but you can ask me a question.

No, I was just saying, is, is, you know, what Lynnae was saying, are you guys fine with that?

I mean, I think it's an acceptable Right, so my concern was being this an after-the-fact addition to this building, it kind of does look like it is a box set on top of a building. If a building was designed from the get-go to have these types of mechanical coverages, I think it would look different. So that was just our concern as neighbors. There's a couple of us that have taller houses, and that's what we see. We see the rooftop of this building. I see most of the mechanical. The parapet doesn't really disguise much of the mechanical for me in my perspective. So I will see the full 15 feet of this box on top of this building, and so will my neighbors that have, you know, windows that are a little bit taller. And I appreciate that Matt has— we've communicated quite a bit after the last meeting, and he's shared his information with me, and I've given my contact with him, and he would like to discuss some artistic ways to disguise it a little bit better. So I, I think when you look at the parapet material, he even talked about having a color to match it, that the credit union has given them the code to that paint so they can make it blend with the parapet color and parapet material. So I appreciate there's been that attempt to make it more aesthetic. I personally don't like boxes on tops of buildings. That's just my personal opinion. There's a really nice one on top of Sun River Gardens. That one is a really beautiful box on top of its building, but it's a different type of a building. So I just feel like the neighbors have come to the conclusion that if this is going to happen, this is the best way for it to happen because the other alternatives are probably a little more unsightly, or, you know, could be a monopole in the back half of the parking lot, which we don't want that either. So we appreciate there's been an effort on that credit union as well as T-Mobile to make this as pleasing as possible, when it's a subjective word, pleasing. But that's really the residents' take on it, and that's pretty much the consensus, the ones we've talked to, is like, it's their building. They're gonna do it as best they can to not ruin their building, and we will look at 15 more feet of it.

So, okay, thank you.

That's your question?

Yes, it did.

Thank you.

Okay, more than you wanted.

I'm sure.

No, but that's fine.

And it is a very attractive new building, which is why we've tried to make it blend as much as possible.

Okay, any other comments? Can we have a motion?

Make it. Okay, I move that we approve of a T-Mobile stealth location of cell antennas and equipment located on the top of Alpine Credit Union at 1510 North State Street in the C-2 zone.

Just to clarify, the motion was to approve the conditional use permit for—

Oh, sorry, conditional use.

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You both did it at the same time.

What did you—

You did.

Okay, I didn't hear you. We did it at the same exact time. Anyway, the motion passes. Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

All right, moving on to item 13, uh, sea manager information.

Items.

Mayor, thank you. Just a couple of items for your information, members of City Council. The first one is we had our first— well, we had a kickoff meeting today with Layton Construction in regards to the construction of the new city center. We were introduced to the entire team, both the actual design and then the construction team that will be part of this effort. One of the things that we talked about is constructability in this obviously difficult time and environment, and and what are some of the best ways that we can work together to economize and to save limited budget resources. We've kind of reached the conclusion going forward that we are going to work with Layton and Method Studio in the design of the building, and that we will. bid this building in one significant bid package. And then we will shoot for initiating construction of the building at the beginning of March of next year. And the reason we are kind of pushing it deeper into the new year is to avoid winter construction conditions, which ultimately will save us some money. So we could, for example, start construction of the building sooner rather than later, we believe, but then we would potentially incur some significant winter costs associated with the project. But one of the things that we are looking to do is we are looking to, in advance of turning dirt on the building, lining up contractors and subcontractors to work with us. identifying materials that will be used in the building, i.e., steel and some of these other things, and then procuring them sooner rather than later so that we can, to some degree, also mitigate what we anticipate are going to be growing construction costs associated with, with this build. So while we won't necessarily formally turn dirt on a building until March of next year, there will be a lot of things happening, including the procurement process happening in advance of the actual construction so that we can get some materials, for example, that are subject to price increases on order. We can get materials that have long lead times. We can start ordering them sooner rather than later so that they will be available when it's necessary to obviously use them. in the construction process, and, and so on and so forth. So it honestly is very much similar to what Provo City has done, where Provo City went through a similar process and they acquired many of the materials that were needed for the building many months in advance of actually constructing the building. So we think it's a very good cost-conscious strategy. And our first meeting with Layton, I was honestly impressed with kind of their know-how and the way that they are trying to strategically approach construction of this building. So it was an encouraging meeting, and we have set up an opportunity to begin meeting with them in person every 2 weeks, with a weekly kind of video check-in via Zoom as well. on those off weeks. So a good start to that relationship. Just the other thing, and this is all things constructability today. You're well aware, obviously, of the process we have underway to build a new water tank at 4th West and 4th South. We are getting now down to brass tacks, and we are looking specifically at some of the challenges with constructability of that particular facility. As you know, it's going to be a large facility that's going to require a lot of excavation. So we started looking at how we were going to excavate all this material out of that property in, in kind of a tight area. At the same time, in order for us to move all this material, we actually need to bring trucks on site, and we need to bring them into essentially the area that we will excavate, and then bring them out of the area that we will excavate. And we have to make sure that the path in and the path out meets certain grade requirements. So for example, we can't have these large dump trucks going in at a 20% grade, we've got to find a way to get them safely to the bottom, for example, of the hole, and then to get it safely out of the hole. We started looking at that. And we realized that we probably were in too tight of a spot. But fortunately, to our benefit, was a parcel of property that was available for sale to the west of the park site. So there's about a 0.4-acre parcel of property that is due west of, uh, the tank site that was available for sale.

Was it a building lot, a house?

What was it?

There is a— there actually is a small house deep on the back of the lot, but there's quite a bit of frontage that could be used. And so we actually put in an offer and met with the property owner. And I don't know if we've formally submitted a REPC yet.

I'll let Steve talk.

He's writing the REPC.

Yeah.

We should be able to get that REPC to him tomorrow, I think.

So we are in the process of purchasing that property.

We—

I think we've agreed to terms with the property owner, and he understands why we need this property, and he's willing to sell it— the property to us at market prices. We would purchase the property, incorporate that property into the construction phase of this project in order for us to accommodate trucks moving into the site and out of the site for excavation purposes and for staging of materials and things like that for the project.

itself.

And then after the project is complete, then we would actually sell the property. So it would not be the city's intent, at least initially, to hold on to that property, but to use it essentially right now for construction purposes. I wanted to just make you aware of that because the, the cost of the property, I think, is about $460,000. So it's, it's not a small expenditure. But at the same time, it's a good expenditure from the perspective of enabling the construction of the project and doing everything that we can to mitigate the interface between that construction site and Orem Elementary that's across the street and the truck volume that's going to take place in and out of that site for the period necessary to essentially dig a very big hole. So I wanted to make you aware of Both of those issues. We are very close to having a design drawing for the tank itself and the pump house and the associated facilities that are obviously tied to the well— excuse me, to the tank. And here in the next couple of weeks, we will mobilize and begin drilling the well on that property as well. So that project is well, well underway.

Is there any update on, on the fence options? Aren't we looking at different options?

So Lane Gray, our capital projects manager, is looking at that right now.

So still in that process?

Getting some pricing, yes.

And then also just came to my mind, is the— have we made any progress on Wiggy Wash?

Yes, in fact, we have made some progress, and it's not necessarily the same, the same progress I reported to you several weeks ago. Jason Bench and Ryan were contacted by the Wiggy Wash folks, Brent Wignall, and he essentially shared with us that their corporate office is looking at some improvements for the site, including some more I guess, some quieter blowers that will improve the sounds emanating from that facility. So, uh, we had talked initially with Brent about those new blowers. His initial response was, I think those are going to be too expensive. I don't think those are going to be part of any solution. But apparently corporate had a different idea, and they came back and reported to Jason that they are in fact going to install these quieter blowers at the, at the Wiggy Wash site. So that was very encouraging.

It is.

That's good, good news.

And that you just heard from them, like within the week, right?

Yeah, the engineers from that company are going to come out in the next month or so to, to see what the, you know, infrastructure is and then determine how to install them.

So, and then, and maybe we could, you know, get some of the neighbors there, maybe they could be there too or something that—

I don't know.

Yeah, we'll keep you updated on what we—

Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you.

Tom?

Thank you, Mayor. Jamie, I had a couple questions. First of all, as you know, we worked with Layton and Method on our new business building, and they were a great team. I'd someday like to talk to you about who from their organizations are assigned. We might do that offline. I assume prior to March, so we can do some of the ground tests that are required and some of those other things. We started in January where we had a much bigger footprint, so their recommendation of March I don't disagree with. But, and then who's quarterbacking this from our side? Is that Ryan again?

Lane Gray is our capital projects manager, so Lane is the one who is coordinating.

Yep, Lane. And yeah, he works with you, Ryan, correct?

In fact, in fact, Lane has already initiated an asbestos review of this building.

Okay.

Because ultimately, at some point, we're going to have to take down this building. And we also talked about initiating the geotechnical process for the new footprint of the building. In fact, in our meeting today, Lane was getting that underway. Also, in the same meeting, we talked about some of the trees and some of the issues that we might have with the property to the east of this building, and our city arborist Josh Story was out this afternoon as we were congregating to go up the canyon, already looking at the trees on that property. So Lane is on top of, of this project, and, and I really appreciate his, uh, you know, his engagement and cooperation with Ryan, because Ryan's his direct supervisor in, in the construction of not only, uh, this building but Hillcrest Park. And, and Lane is also very involved in our heritage Heritage Park as well, and the tank project.

And you know, from a family standpoint, this is significant since my father-in-law was in these seats when this building was built. Yes, interesting that I'll be here to help knock it down for him 55 years later, but I hope he won't hold that against you. I don't think I'll get cut out of the future will. We're good. Thank you for that report, Jamie.

Just 2 questions. I think last time you told us there was some system in the new building that's going to take 65 weeks of— and I can't remember what system.

It's a, it's a power transformer. And so that was also part of our conversation today, was to get with the electrical engineers and to see if we have current sufficient power and appropriate transformers on property. Right now to accommodate the new build, or if it's necessary for us to order a transformer in the future. And if so, we got to get going on that sooner rather than later.

And then my other question is, as supplies come in, where will we be storing them? I can see Public Works, or will Layton Construction be storing somewhere they have?

So that is also part of the conversation we really haven't engaged yet with Layton. But we all acknowledge, including Layton, that this is going to be a tight site, and we're going to potentially look at potentially staging some of what may be necessary here on this campus, but obviously being sensitive to some of the uses that we have, for example, in City Center Park and Summerfest and things like that. But we would also anticipate that There's probably going to need— we're probably going to need to find space. And Chris isn't here, he wasn't in the meeting today, but for example, our public works facility is probably going to need to be used in some way to, to house and store some of— it could be, you know, 1,500 gallons of paint, I don't know, but those kind of things are things we're gonna have to talk about.

Thank you, those are my questions.

Thank you, Jamie. Any other questions? Yes, we're gonna—

I'd like to move that we adjourn to a closed-door meeting to be held in Conference Room 107 of Orem City Hall, 56 North State Street, Orem City, to a closed meeting for a strategic session to discuss— that's where the minutes end, huh?

Litigation.

Litigation.

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