City Council · 2023-05-09

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So just to show you here, so All right, we ready to start?

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Ready?

Absolutely. I might have to borrow your glass. I'm sitting next to you, so it's good. We'd like to welcome everyone here this afternoon for our work session, and we'll turn the time to Brandon. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, we're going to begin with, uh, Thank you. So our first discussion is in relation to the CARES tax and the distribution allocation of those dollars for the upcoming year here in July and throughout next year. That's Ms. year. We met in a couple of meetings with CARE Commission members as well as Councilmember Spencer and Councilmember Lamson, and Trevor Bell and Kenna Matthews was also part of those meetings. And we went through about 8 hours seemingly of presentations from many and major grant applicants. And this year we had— we have 32 applicants, 27 in the mini and mid areas, and compared to 25 a year ago, so a few more applicants this year than last year. And hopefully you had an opportunity to see the summary which was in your packet in relation to what came out of the CARE Commission as far as recommendation from that group in relation to the mini and mid-major applicants as far as awarding those dollars to those individuals. In our mini, as you can see here, we had just under $52,000 of applicant dollars requested, and the recommendation You can see on the far right side to allocate $32,800 of the requests. And in our, um, then in the mid-major area, I had $100,000 short, $195,000, or sorry, $143,000, over $43,000 of requested dollars. Can you make that even bigger, Brandon? Do a little control plus and see what happens.

Do you need my glasses?

Far away glasses you need now.

Probably as good as I'm gonna get right there. Still getting on screen. Um, so there's $143,000 requested, which they awarded— they recommended awarding $71,200 of that, um, for a total of both of the bid And meetings, 195 requested and 104 being recommended to be awarded. You can see how that compares to the prior 2 fiscal years, a bit of an increase in that amount. And then, so before we— I guess we go too far, are there any questions, concerns, thoughts in relation to any of those particular awards. So I have a question. Um, so I had to kindly decide to leave during the deliberation part of this, uh, the numbers part.

But I, I was just curious on the Utah Live Concerts Foundation. Um, they always do a really good job.

I'm just curious if they're—

it looks like we're giving a little bit more. Um, have they got some things, some other things in place where they have been in other years?

Yeah, they're going to do a, um, like a laser light show at the end because fireworks is too expensive.

So I just, we, uh, I just know that the bang for the buck was— Yeah, they've always been great.

I mean, you get 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 people there on Friday and Saturday. It's just for the money spent, I think it's well—

and then I'm trying to remember, I want to She had—

she was financial background, she had it down to a T.

We just basically went with what she was saying because it was just everybody agreed.

So there were some that we went back and gave a little bit more, but we thought that we didn't give a full amount, but we got close on a few.

Tell me about this mental health that got zero.

What was that? The commission, or this group, was coming, or they were proposing to do a one-day event be a mix of film festivals and some other community outreach. And the commission's recommendation was to do zero for this first group because they didn't feel like they had a direct impact. It's primarily an extension of their Salt Lake County event.

They were just going to essentially bring the same thing to Utah County.

So the commission's recommendation was to award zero for that and then hopefully work with that vendor to repropose next year with a more succinct application. So, can you tell us just kind of what your general thought process is as you kind of go through these?

And so, I mean, we listened to, uh, all the presentations, and, um, depending if they were new, um, or a few years old or been here for a long time, We have a lot of choral groups that want money, and we were trying to say, hey, you know, what are you doing to help raise funds for yourself instead of—

this is more seed money, right?

And that was sort of the idea. You know, the Chautauquans, I don't know how much money they can raise, but they do a good, good thing for the community going into care centers and bringing joy to people that can't get out. So there are certain groups like that that we just kept funding. But, um, you know, the overall idea is just what's going to bring the most people to Orem and benefit Orem citizens, um, in the long—

in the short term and the long term.

So it's fun being on the committee.

I mean, um, you know, some, some presentations I don't get because maybe I'm not so artsy, but I try.

Dancing in space.

But I think, yeah. Yeah, that was— but, you know, so I think, uh, if you look at the whole overall city, I think, um, what we've done this year is there were some new applicants, and I think giving them, you know, money helps the community and I think brings more value to Orem and brings people.

That's—

And along with that, um, the number of Orem residents that are involved. Not only is it a participant's point of watch, but there's something that we try to open the doors to all citizens. But we take that into— And who's all— who all is on the commission?

So it's me and Jeff, and then we have 5 or 6 citizens that are on the committee.

You just kind of come to a consensus as a group?

I can't remember, uh, was it Sophia?

I see Danae. Danae, we have Laurel.

Mary.

Who was on? She was online the first time.

Spencer.

Spencer Ransom.

Who was the one that was the financial lady? She just had it all. And she said your spreadsheet wasn't right, and you—

it was correct, right?

Yeah, she goes, my numbers are right.

He goes, no, ours are right. So Sophie.

Sophie.

Yeah, so she was dead on. And she basically had the discussion, hey, I really think it should be this. And we all thought about it.

Okay. I mean, normally I try to drive it, but I wasn't driving, so she drove it.

So that's good.

I mean, it was a good perspective, different, uh, you know, ideas. And I think, uh, with your friend and then having with Kenny here, you know, it was a new thing that they were doing. I think it was a good learning experience for everybody. And, um, I think those awards, um, a lot of them, you know, we asked, hey, you know, there's a lot—

a whole piece of the pie, everybody wants a piece of the pie, so, you know, could you do with half? People like, we could really do with half.

So we gave them half, right?

So, and they basically said, yeah, we can do half. Okay, we're going to give you half.

So it was a back and forth. So, you know, I thought that answered your question. Yeah, roundabout way.

Yeah, I'm just trying to get It's actually—

the group understands how this all happens.

If you've been on, you know, you, you, you listen to the presentation, just see them over here over and over the same thing. But, um, you know, like the 4th of July, you know, that, that brings people to Orem, um, and it's just, it's a huge 4th of July thing. And we don't have the parade, but we have that. It's a huge magnet that people come and they want to see the military vehicles.

Debbie, you know, because it's art. Yes, it's art.

Art in many ways, and I can deal with that kind of art.

I like it.

But it's just the dancing in the pool we have a problem with.

We'll move on.

We'll move on.

That's where we're at.

So that's my 2 cents.

Modern dance. Yeah, I was a resident.

I served on this commission.

Like, it's—

I really appreciated how much they pay attention to the residents.

feedback.

It really is the residents of Orem bringing art and supporting art in Orem.

So, you know, good job, you two.

And I think Jeff hit it on the head with, you know, citizens' participation and what they bring to these groups. And that helps because, you know, some of them like, oh, what are you doing? Well, you know, maybe 25 people, like, and you're asking for, you know, $6,000, that doesn't pencil right. You need to expand your horizons and get more people from Ormond or something.

That was good. Thank you. So, so, well, you know, big discussion for today, to be honest, is going to be related to the major grants as well as the recreation parks components of the CARES tax, which we'll get to in a minute. I wanted to just give a heads up in relation to— obviously this meeting is to kind of discuss what we will bring forth in a future council meeting in relation to having your approval of those, that allocation of the awards of those monies. So let's get down to— Okay, and so when we get to our major grants, we have 5 applicants this year. You can see the various requests at the top right corner here as far as 2023 requests, what they're requesting. And in essence, in consultation with Councilor Spencer, and we put in some numbers in relation to—

With the CERA, we automatically just populated the 100% they asked for because they are They aren't warm. And, and I also mentioned that, you know, we'd like to maybe try something, maybe instead of 35% of operating expenses, maybe it goes to 45% and see if that helps them, or we work as a city to help them on projects.

But I don't—

I think so. We just filled that in. We did, hopefully didn't overstep our bounds. We felt that was— we did that last year and I think we should do that this year, whatever the max was.

So. That's where we're at. So we're open to discussion about all of the particular applicants and what your thoughts are and where you'd like to see those awards go. You can see down here in the bottom section, based on those submissions, where we're at. Spencer mentioned doing some things. You can see this Sarah Sheldon Facility improvements. That's kind of a placeholder, kind of, until we can kind of see what kinds of facility type stuff we can do in and around the Sierra Shell on the city's property, and in order to potentially help in expanding Sierra's reach, etc.

I may—

Council, so last week we had a good sit-down with some of us staff, and Adam and Mayor was present. started to try and become better acquainted with some of the vision, long-term plans, and short-term plans that Adam and the Sierra board have for the Sierra properties. And so one thing that was brought up that I thought was a compelling story was that the existing fence around the shell, it's all chain link. And so it's On one hand, it's, it's difficult to maintain, people prone on it, mowers hitting it or whatever. But then on the other, sometimes people will go on the outside of the chain-link fence and won't buy a ticket but will enjoy the show. So what we want to look at there and further flesh out is, you know, like some Simtek fencing. And I'm talking about we add some LED lighting and stuff. And goes along and adds to the Aesthetic draw. So that's what that— those dollars would be.

And that would be in conjunction with Adam, with the Sarah, and what their need is.

Absolutely. Yeah, we were— I think we proactively tried to express that this wouldn't be something where we are telling them what to do, but we're trying to listen and partner. Okay, that's good.

Appreciate that, Brent.

Along those lines, there is related to that, this would be helpful for not only the shell, but for the pool and the park in general. We want to improve the signage. So have new monument digital signage for the pool, but then also the digital signage could be used to help make our citizens aware and keep the driving signs to the street. shows at the Shell. Both the CERA staff and us orange staff regularly get people asking, okay, where's the— where should I park, where should I go to get to the Shell? So we want to improve digital signage, monument signage, and wayfinding signage in and around the park, and then even do a monument sign on the side of the Shell there. for these, just to improve getting people around.

I think you may put a big billboard. Is that okay?

So the thought is the potential signage that we have in front of the fitness center.

Yeah.

Okay.

So can I go back up to the top? Um, first of all, my first question— oh no, no, sorry, stop at the green. About Dr. Majors? No, agreeing. Um, Timpanogos Symphony just moved to Orem. Um, I think that's a very low amount to give a group that is really trying to alter what they're doing. So, um, I'd like to give them at least $10,000 myself. So I'll put from $2,500. What was the thinking of why it was so low?

I think that was the amount they received in the prior year. Yeah, that was the prior years they were in American Fork.

But that's what we gave them, um, in prior years.

So they've just moved here to Orem. They have actually relocated from American Fork to Orem to become an Orem—

Well, did they move here just to get the $25,000?

I mean, oh, I don't know.

So that's my thing. I'm like, you know, show us. Just because you moved here doesn't mean we're going to give you $25,000.

Well, I proved that. I said $10,000.

Okay, but I mean, whatever. I think, you know, your point's valid, but I just think that just because somebody moves, what have they done right now?

Nothing.

Well, the quality of that symphony—

What I'm saying is, what have they done? So are we buying their business to come here? I mean, what, what are we doing? That's my— that would be my point.

Well, it's John Peel.

I've known him for years and he does an outstanding— and he has lots of people from this area. So I'd like to give them at least $10,000.

I mean, we haven't seen their presentation or, you know, but okay, we just went on past history as the group.

We looked at it, we just said, well, it's changed.

So I'm saying there's a new factor. They are now housed here in Orem. NORDA, did we not— do they not have enough Orem-specific things?

Well, I mean, the NORDA, I think the thought process there was Utah Valley University, they're state, so do they really need our money?

Yeah, if I can speak on that one.

The commission's recommendation for zero for the NORDA was they weren't asking for a specific program, they were asking for overall operating costs. And so the commission felt, why is the state asking the city to supplement their program? They felt like if there was a specific program that was like a very specific play or presentation, they'd be more inclined to that. But because it was for overall operating They recommended zero. Okay.

And we know we appreciate the hell what they've done in Orem, but they definitely jettisoned.

So—

Except I went to a play last Saturday here in Orem, and I'm so used to hearing sponsored by CARE. And I was sad that we— there was no sponsor back there. I'd like to give them a little bit, maybe $50K. That's just my opinion. They're still here. They're still operating.

They're gone next year. I disagree.

Okay. So that's what I would say, at least $10,000 to Symphony, and if no one else wants to give anything to Hale, that's fine, but my go is to $10,000.

Have you allocated all the money?

It's the $200,000.

Yeah, I see. That's entirely up to you guys. So keep in mind, it's up to you to determine what allocations and awards you want to take away.

You're taking away from some other award?

You would be, yes.

That's why you just take from the shell improvements, take advantage of that.

I mean, it's not a big— it's not a big— you're still $192,000.

What would you do?

I would just take the Sierra Shell facility improvements. I would just lower that $7,500 and give that— give someone that. Like I said, that's why I'm meeting you guys.

My thing is, I think the concentration should be on the Sarah.

I think it is.

I think there's more knowledge.

No, the $200,000, that is actual improvements for the park. So I think that would benefit all the citizens in Orem, in my opinion. So I think that You know, we can leave it as it is. And next year they can ask for money.

And maybe we could go back to the Timpano people and say, hey, you know, maybe it'd be good if you invited our council to some specific shows.

Yeah, I mean, we just, like I said, we just went off history. That's all we had is historical data because I don't remember that. I don't remember.

Well, it's new, and like I said, um, John Pugh was one of the— was one of these stars at the Sierra. I don't know if he was honored this year, am I correct? Yeah, the symphony. I mean, the quality of what he does is outstanding. He was one of the stars and they highlighted him. And, um, how about 5,000? We go to 5 at least.

But they've been— but they've been doing it on their own without CARES Act money.

So do they really need it?

I think the answer is yes.

Yeah, so all the recommendations were based off the Symphony, Sylvan, and American Fork. All their application materials still had the American Fork committed. It wasn't highlighted specifically. So the Commission's recommendation doesn't take into account the new information.

John Q. himself told me that. He said, we're— he's moved along. Okay, and it may have been right after they left.

Is the $200,000 allocation— is that— I mean, do we— is that just kind of a round number of what we have left? That's the leftovers, carryover. We don't actually know what costs these things will be until we get a little bit down the road. It was the carryover from last year for that.

So the $200,000, I think, was carryover from last year that we didn't use.

Or now, does everybody use their allocation from the year before? Um, we won't know that until the year's done, so we could have some extra money. I could, uh, I mean, I could support going to $10,000 for the symphony. I've seen the symphony and I think they do a phenomenal job. And the fact that they are moving to Orem, they can be an Orem entity going forward, will have a lot of good in the community. So, and that wouldn't make that much difference to Yeah, $190,000 is still a lot of money. So we could use $3,000 of that, $3,000 of the $3,100, which gives you $5,500, which would then basically drop the $200,000 to $195,000-ish.

I think that's great.

My thought on that is they are—

I mean, they're not just a random whatever. They're, you know, a really good talent here in the county, and especially now they're coming to Warren. So That's why I would support them. I'm not even a symphony-going person, but I think they were extremely good.

Deep down, I think you are.

Well, we can, we can verify stats that they've moved. That's important. I think that's important.

That's very important.

I guess it matters is, yeah, making them a major or a mid, I don't know if that matters too much other than the requirements. I mean, what are the programs?

What are they doing in Norma now?

What's their program?

Do they— how many times?

Well, I don't know, but John Q at the SIRA told me he's moving to Norma with the group.

Okay, but what does that mean?

So I didn't give him any questions.

I was thrilled.

I said, welcome, we're so glad you're coming.

I'm all for giving money, but you're moving to Norma to get free money, or what are you doing?

Well, I don't think he— I don't think he's being that crazy.

What is the—

I mean, Did they write the program?

They did have their concert this year, and it took another high school, so they did have— she sent an email about it.

So one concert, it was a 2-night concert at Thomas High School, and they wanted $80,000 for that.

And where do they practice?

Do we know their practice facility?

These are great questions that we can— Trevor, can we make note of these questions and follow up?

And really, they do need to fill out their application.

And then by the time applications were due, there might be a delay in that.

Well, they could put in there, hey, we are moving to Horn, but it isn't—

it's American Fork.

I think finding out more.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, the key thing is that we keep getting all these majors.

The key thing is we have to fund the Sarah, what we do, because that is our community, bottom line. Then we go from there.

Yeah, I'm particularly impressed with what the Sierra does with their youth programs, the Acting Up first place awards that they just won nationally. It really is an amazing community outreach. The number of lives that that touches in a positive way is second to none.

I mean, people come from Nephi. I mean, they're just coming from all over.

Well, it's like, like Brent said, we had a pretty major meeting with Adam this last week and talking about where they're at right now, what their needs are, where they want to go.

And if they're able to execute on the plan they've got over the next 10, 20, 30 years, they're going to be a major—

I mean, they already are a major player in Orem, but they're going to really go next level. So they're the, they're the heart of Orem's downtown, emphasis on the art part of heart.

I love that because that's, you know, that's our downtown.

So that's what we want.

So really, we need to look at—

Because the benefits that were given—

I know I had children that auditioned for some of the community theater, and one child in particular, they brought in a tap dancer from New York, and it was like this incredible choreography and opportunity to learn at the Sierra.

I mean, at the outdoor shell.

So definitely, we're all in agreement.

And I think too, that's our arts district, and that's where we really need to focus on. You know, the city owns a couple homes over there. That really needs to be brought into the forefront and say, hey, what is our arts district supposed to look like? I mean, I'm recreation, right?

Baseball.

But that needs to be in the forefront and say, what are we doing What's gonna bring— what's gonna make War Memorial a destination on our arts is the Sarah as the anchor, and then right around it, 'cause that's our— maybe you close that street and it's tied into the park.

I mean, that's huge. So one additional kind of partnership opportunity is the Trackless Train. And this was kind of Councilmember Pedersen's brainchild. And as we looked at, and even as he looked at the cost of the St. George-Tonnekwa Park train, it's in a set track that was quite pricey. So we got looking at essentially a trackless option. And so this, this request would not only be enough to get a big enough trackless train, we could use in multiple parks and even in my— but it also could be enough for adults to ride with kids. And I can forward some visual material, and they look great. And in talking with Adam, we came to find out that there's a whole train club that meets at Becerra, and they could be additional volunteers that could Even run the train or be drivers for the train. And, uh, you know, one of the stops could be the Heritage Museum where they show the history of trains in the city. So I think that could be an additional little thing. I love the flexibility of it, that we can take it to other parts or other events and use it in other ways. It's not stuck here or wherever, stuck in any one location, but they can go anywhere in the city.

It's tractors. Yeah, that's awesome.

And for a tenth or less of the cost of the existing tractors.

Well, the fact that we were named for a railroad gentleman, I think that we can call it the Walter or something fun.

That's a good point.

I think that's great.

The other items we put just some, as you can see, both the Sierra Park improvements here and down here in the parks grants portion, just some placeholders to be able to do some additional improvements in relation to— we indicated Sierra Park, but doesn't necessarily have to be there, but that's kind of what the original thought was. And you can see, of course, which we've had many discussions about the very top item on both of them in relation to the sports complex and the associated grant that's related to those for this particular year.

Can you remind us what the county's giving us for that part?

It's like $1.79 million from the county's TRT funds. I think that was Brennan, the mayor. Spearhead. Bryce had the numbers.

Bryce brought the idea.

There's a reason why we hired you. We're looking at the mayor on this one. That doesn't happen without Mayor Young. Thank you.

I think in our fair share of those restaurant tax.

That's kind of the— any questions about those particular Recreation or Parks grant areas for the current year.

Is Hillcrest going to need anything? I mean, are we on track with its pricing and its equipment? I guess that's my only question.

As far as I— yes, yes, unless something major occurs.

Well, I just want to make sure that that's fully funded if, you know, There's something we need to use. So that to me is the—

Yeah, we're good right now. So the last page here kind of just gives you a total of where that all resides in relation to our available budget, total available budget and CARES tax dollars, and the grants awarded, if you list identified as awarded. And you can see where we anticipate that means we would end up having some leftover Reserve amount for the following reserve to be used in the following year.

So next week, this carrot is up for reelection. I mean, to be renewed this year. I think it's important that people understand how powerful this, this very small tax— I know some people hate that word tax, but you get so many people who come to Orem to buy a car and furniture, and you're getting the pennies off of there, but it adds up. What's that, 3 point— I can't read how $3.5 million. I mean, that is huge. If we didn't have this CARE, we would have to pull that out of general funds and we would not have the ability to do a lot of these projects. So let's really make sure we are, we are for the CARE and make sure that we promote it to our friends and families because it passed quite handily, like in the 60th percentile. But we can't be, can't be lax on it. This, if this were to go away, it would be devastating to our— it'd be devastating to Sarah, devastating to our small groups.

Well, I know the Rec Commission, we, you know, they're ready to go out and promote it.

So we just have to have a path and an avenue and way to do it.

So I know the arts the same way. So we just need to team up.

Yeah, let's really get behind this.

So circle the wagons back. I'll make an adjustment. TSO, Timonelos Orchestra, as far as that goes and what that looks like. And then Trevor will gather some additional information that you guys asked about and get that to you. Then obviously in that council meeting, you're welcome in that council meeting to discuss further and make whatever final approvals you want to in that particular meeting when you have that final information. And again, we'll send this document back out to you So we can have that in advance as well. Any final thoughts or questions, concerns before we move on?

Thanks to Dave and Jeff for really spearheading this.

Yep.

Thanks. Trevor and I really appreciate both of them as well as the commission members you mentioned. This is our first rodeo into that arena and really, really new to being part of a commission. We hope— we're glad they put up with us as far as getting through that. Kim helped immensely, so when she stops helping us, it may just all fall apart.

She is the linchpin.

I think the citizens that were on the committee, I mean, all of them brought different views and ideas, and it was great how we all worked together. And they, you know, they were basically driving the money aspect. It wasn't me, which I am a little bit Um, that she took over and it was just interesting how everybody just fell along.

I was like, yeah, okay, we can see that.

So it was good.

Thanks, Brenda.

Thank you, Brenda. Trevor. Yeah, next up we've got a proposed policy concerning city flagpoles and city social media sites. And Steve Earl is going to present that to us.

So, Mayor and City Council, this is, um—

oh, can I say one thing?

So yeah, uh, I'm gonna say this earlier, but, uh, Terry had reached out and he has to be excused, and then Tom had reached out and he has to be excused. So they're both excused, not here today.

Tom's in Hawaii, so you have to hate him.

All right, sorry to interrupt.

No problem.

Yeah, so this is a proposed policy for your consideration and discussion today. This is something that both Jesse and I have been working on, so Jesse will feel free, I think, to jump in anytime he would like here. But basically, the purpose of this policy is to direct the exercise of the city's own speech with respect to city-owned flagpoles and city social media accounts. And so basically there's, there's 2 parts, 2 separate components of this proposed policy. The first part of that has to deal with city-owned flagpoles. Just as an example, you've got 3 flagpoles right out here in front of the auditorium. You've got other flagpoles at the cemetery and in other various locations. throughout the city. So we're not talking about, obviously, privately owned flagpoles in the city, but only the city-owned flagpoles. And, and basically, uh, the proposal is that we define which types of flags can be flown on the city-owned flagpoles. And, and essentially, we're— and I don't think this is different from what we're doing now by any means, it's just sort of formalizing the policy— but the flags that would be, um, on authorized to be flown on these city-owned flagpoles would be the United States flags, the armed forces flags, which would be Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and so on, the POW/MIA flag, obviously the state flag, the state ceremonial flag, a UVU flag, and Orem city flag. And then the city would have exclusive control over which of these flags might be displayed on city flagpole at any given time. So like I said, I don't think it's a departure in any way from what we've been traditionally doing. It's just kind of making it clear to everybody so, you know, maybe some employee doesn't get a wild idea to do something crazy or whatever. These are, these are the designated flags that are authorized to be on city flagpoles. That might be the easy part. Does anybody have any questions as to that part before I go on to the next. Okay, so the next component has to do with—

I have one question.

If we had an Orem Fest flag, would that be considered an approved city flag?

Right now, the way it's defined is the Orem city flag is the flag representing the city of Orem as approved by the Orem City Council. You know, we could loosen that definition if you wanted to, to basically say any flag that's been approved or authorized by the city council. So if you wanted to authorize an Orem Fest flag, you could do that.

You want—

is that something you might be interested in?

I would, because that's, that's the one thing I think we might want to eventually get one. As we try to, you know, it would only be flown during what, one week? If we wanted to.

Okay.

Is it going to be on the light poles?

That's true, it is on light poles.

Yeah, I mean, I would rather stick with the flags we've got, just make it concrete. And if we're gonna do an Ormond activity, we just do the Ormond flag. Otherwise, it takes us a path of what—

because those are all up and downstate.

And I guess that's fine.

That's true, they are on banners.

Yeah, that's fine.

But no, banners I think are included into this policy, so I think At least that's how I'm kind of interpreting this. You know, sometimes, I mean, what's the difference between a banner and a flag? I guess you could have a flag, right? So, pardon my name.

No, I'm just saying you're right.

Yeah.

So, you know, if you want to have a little more latitude, maybe you don't.

I think we do more banners.

You know, one of the ways we could address that is we could say, you know, if there's a city-sponsored event, I don't know. Well, we've listed the permitted flags.

We could say any other flag specifically authorized by the city council if you want that, because I mean, you've got UVU banners on that thing too, right?

Yes, and that's specifically authorized.

And that's on there.

But yeah, you might from time to time have, you know, special events or other things that you want to do.

And so can you add that in if you would like? Center Street, other than UVU, and then the Orem Fest.

I think those are the only ones we've ever really hung from the light poles.

Yeah, maybe.

Why don't we just go with those then? I hate to make this fluid thing that's forever changing if it's a ball chain.

Yeah, unless, unless you wanted to have a special Orem Fest flag or something like that, but I mean, you could define that.

Could we add that as one of the flags?

Yeah, if you wanted to.

I don't see a bunch of other flags.

I don't think such a thing exists right now, does it, Brent? Um, but maybe in the future we would create it. Yeah, we have our banners. I think the banner's fine for Worm Fest. I think the flag is really something extra special.

But I guess what I'm saying is I think this applies to banners as well as flags.

I just—

I would interpret it that way.

Yeah, we definitely want to replace banners.

Yeah, because I think we're trying to define not only what gets flown on the traditional flagpoles but also on our city light poles. Um, at least that's my understanding.

If you want to exclude the light poles, we can, but my thought was you probably wanted to address Okay, so, um, Brynn, maybe, do you know, have we ever had like a—

we have had Summerfest banners hung from city light poles, right?

Yes.

Yes.

So maybe if you want, we can just include that in the definition of flags that are allowed.

They aren't best banners or something like that.

Yeah, okay, that's easy.

Let's do that.

And also armed forces flags, probably want the Space Force on there too.

Are you doing that or not?

We— that's up to you. If you want to include the Space Force, you can.

They have it up at the memorial.

Do they?

They do.

Okay, you want to do—

okay, and that's the Space Force.

Yeah, I didn't include Space Force because Steve overrode me on that.

Well, there's kind of a movie about the Space Force, right?

So if you want it, then okay, that's cool.

If it's a legitimate arm of the—

It is legitimate.

Okay.

Steve, do or do not, there is no try.

Good job.

Okay, okay, any other thoughts on, on the flags, flagpole part of this?

Just clarify that. So you've got the flag, the flag you got listed there, and then as part of banners, are you identifying the specific Um, so basically, I'm—

I guess I'm treating banners like a flag. So we would, we would include, you know, we have an approved UVU flag or banner that's often flown.

And then we—

the only other thing I think we ever do is an Orem Best type thing. So we will—

I will specifically add to the permitted flags the Orem Best banner approved by the council.

Yeah. Sometimes you— sometimes people put a Christmas one up there.

Do we ever do that?

We don't have any Sarah banners, do we?

There's Christmas decorations that get hung from that post, like snowflakes, but they're not—

yeah, those, those are— yeah, that's—

I'm not—

I don't think those would be included. You can still do those. Okay, we'll go on to the next part. The next part has to do with Orem City social media accounts. So this could be, you know, city Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. You know, just as an example, we have— I think we have 5 different city Facebook accounts, if I'm correct. I think we have the main city Facebook account, we have rec Facebook account. Let's see, what were the other ones? Library.

Library.

Okay, library's one. Library, fire, and police. So this would apply to all these different social media accounts. So basically what we're proposing is to say that—

yeah. I apologize.

Can I interject?

Yes.

I was brought up with questions about specifically in the Arts District and around Sears Park, maybe banning some Sears-specific or Arts District-specific banners on light poles around there. What we've just talked about for years, and we talked about in our meeting the other day, again, either season-specific— obviously it's a high maintenance to change them off too often— but either season-specific or arts district, even more generically specific around that, that district. We've talked to Rocky Mountain Power about the ones that have license plates that are theirs.

But the reason—

one of the reasons I saved for this is I was concerned about city light poles. And so I don't know how that—

Have we traditionally placed these CIRA banners on city-owned light poles?

We've never done any of it.

This would—

we would need to add brackets, we would need to do the whole thing. But one of the things we talked about, we talked about at Arts Council too, is identifying the arts district from 4th to 8th and 4th to State, utilizing the Rocky Mountain or city poles in that perimeter to identify an arts district. And I don't know how that fits into what you're doing, so I just, I just wanted to throw that out there. It's an idea.

Yeah, can we just have that? I think the arts district is a city designation, so then you'd have to have approved banners. So really, once something is figured out, as long as we can bring it to the council and approve it. Yeah.

So is there a mechanism? Does this already allow a mechanism for us to come back to the council?

The policy itself does not, but the resolution that, uh, will be adopting this policy will basically say that any amendments will have to come back to the council and have to be adopted by resolution of council.

So it can't be done informally.

It would have to come back to a regular city council meeting and be amended by resolution.

So we can't add anything approved by the— the reason we can't add the wording now?

You could, you could put that in the policy itself if you wanted to.

Or there's probably safety in coming back formally. Yeah, yeah, you have to formally state federally that Yeah, as long as you could— for example, I mean, because you don't have this now, but this is something you may do in the future. So essentially, if we could structure it just so if you came and said, this is what we want to do, and then we would basically go back down that path. Whether I just wanted to make sure it was a possibility.

Yeah, absolutely. It would still be a possibility, but it would just have to go to a regular meeting and be modified by resolution.

Right.

Yeah, the idea is to have As I'm saying, the idea is to have a general structure, and this is our structure.

It can be changed, but it can't be changed willy-nilly.

It has to go through the council and just go through a process.

So, so is there a reason why we wouldn't include that now?

I don't understand why we want to have this particular banner. What are you saying is why won't we add an age? Just different council approved. At a later date. To me, why don't you reamend it?

Yeah, we like it.

We don't. Because then it— then you have a public process of approval.

Otherwise, it's just, you know, oh yeah, 4 of us say we want to do this. But this way makes it a little more public.

I don't think the public's going to be that passionate about it.

You never know.

Okay.

Sure.

In this last year, that's what I've learned.

Okay, so I think we're good. Okay.

Any other thoughts or comments on this? No, it's fine.

Well, I mean, he made a comment about the distinction between a flagpole and a light pole. Is there—

so that's because the banners go on the light poles.

So I think, yeah, I think we got that figured out.

Okay, so going back to the next part, and again dealing with profile pictures on city social media accounts. And so basically what we're talking about is limiting the logos, emblems, or flags that can be displayed as part of the profile picture on any city social media account. Now, probably most of you are familiar with what profile picture means on social media accounts. Basically, that's the top, you know, people have some sort of a photo or a display of some kind. Pete, do you have an example of that for our— Yeah, like for ours with the city main page, it's just the city, Banner City, USA logo, and that's our profile. Well, it's more than that though, isn't it? Is it? Because we have a picture of— yeah, Dave's got an example.

Oh, in the background?

Yeah, the whole background. Yeah, so basically on our main Facebook page, we've got a kind of picture or a photo of the auditorium building with the big City of Orem sign. It's got the city logo.

That would really—

that would be the profile picture. So, so what we're proposing is that in that part of the— of your social media page, if you will, that the logo or emblem, that flag, you could just displayed are limited to these items that are listed up there. Again, the Orem City flag, city logo, the city seal, United States flag, state flags, ceremonial state flag, armed forces flags, POW/MIA flag, UV flag, the official Orem Police and Fire Department badges, and other city logos and badges approved in the Orem City Brand Usage and Style Guide approved by the City Council. So you may be wondering Maybe some of you know what that is, that style usage guide, but basically we have a fairly lengthy document that kind of describes what are the correct ways of displaying the Orem City logo, for example, what that looks like. So really one of the reasons for this is to sort of, if you will, maybe you could say professionalize or preserve the integrity of the brand for the Orem City logo. Orem City logo. So I mean, I think we all acknowledge that sometimes it might be fun to modify the logo a little bit and have to do different things with it in a creative way. Those things might be fun, but they might also sometimes impair the integrity or the professionalism, if you will, of the, uh, Orem City brand. So this is kind of an attempt to preserve that integrity and professional aspect of the brand. So, so just to make clear, this only is applicable in this proposal to the profile picture itself. It's not applicable to what can be posted. So, and again, I'm sure you've all seen the city Facebook page or your own Facebook page.

It's like we posted the Orange Farmers.

Exactly right.

So exactly, it's got the City of Orange government at the top. and then the logo of—

Yeah, Pete, do you have some examples that you can show of just things that we've posted recently? These are posts, and you'll see that a lot of these will contain logos and emblems of other entities that we're featuring or, you know, promoting, if you will. And these are all things that are of interest to the citizens of Orem, you know, good causes and things that are happening in Orem. So we didn't necessarily want to limit ourselves in and being able to make these kinds of posts that have, you know, logos of other entities and so forth. So, and doing that obviously doesn't impair the city's brand or the city's logo.

So do you have any concerns that we formalize this?

Not under the way that Steve is proposing it.

I think this is very good. This helps professionalize the brand and, like he said, preserve the integrity of the city branding. So I, I fully support this.

Um, it would be—

if we're trying to stop posting other people's logos and icons in the posts, that would be troubling because that would limit a lot of what we can do.

So we partner with a lot of organizations here.

You can see we're with the Iguanas, we're with MAG, we're with the Freedom Festival, with the Inner Valley or Utah Valley Interfaith, we're with the Arbor Day Foundation, the Golden Spoke Memorial Ride. So there's all these groups that we partner with. I would like to promote their stuff as it benefits Orem. And so as long as we keep it to profile pictures, we can continue to do that.

So the one on the right, that was their design?

It was their design, yeah. They got a lot of flak.

We had to pull back a mountain.

Yes, they did.

That's kind of going along with your space wars.

Yeah, it's clever.

In principle, a post is much more temporary and appropriate So sort of semi-permanent.

So any thoughts or comments on that proposed aspect of policy?

Breast cancer awareness, change the color to pink.

So that would not be allowed anymore. So I think if you wanted to get in the profile picture, but if you wanted to do a post on breast cancer, then you can do that as a post, but just not as part of the profile picture. So any other thoughts or comments on that? So what we would propose, if everybody feels good about this, we would bring it to you at the next meeting on the 16th and have you adopt this by resolution. And again, that resolution would specifically state that it can only be amended by a subsequent resolution of the council. So again, if you want to add or subtract things, you have to come back to a regular meeting and modify the resolution.

That's going to be the next Tuesday?

Yeah, the 16th. Yeah, I mean, you can put that off if you want, but that was our plan to bring it back next meeting.

It does add professionalism.

I like it.

Sure.

Yep, I think it's great.

Okay, so No fine print.

Well, the Chiefs, right?

I mean, come on.

Okay, we'll, we'll make those changes with regard to the flagpoles you suggested and then bring it back to you on the 16th. Sounds good.

Okay, thank you, Steve.

Next up, we've got forum logo at intersections. Taylor. Mayor and Council, thank you.

Thank you for your time today. Um, my name is Tyler Pay. I'm the Public Services Division Manager at Public Works. We've been exploring some creative solutions for helping to rebrand the city with the Family City USA logos, and we've come up with a creative idea that we think would be exciting and something different in, in the form of thermoplastic logos in the roadways. We've asked Taylor Forbush here, he's our Traffic Operations Section Manager, to look into this and see what the cost would be. would be and maybe explore some options to show you today. And Pete Wolfley's been kind enough to create some, some options, some concepts for what those logos may look like. So we'd like to go through—

this is something that you're probably familiar with.

We've got local universities. BYU's done this, UVU's done this. We've got some I-15 badging in a few of our lanes throughout the city. But anyway, we'd like to give some time to Taylor to go through a few of these slides to kind of show you what we're working on and gauge what level of support you have for this idea, and then we can open it up for discussion.

So thank you. Thanks for allowing us to be here. So thermoplastic is the same material that we're using for our stop bars and symbols and low legends in the road. So it's a product we're familiar with and use all the time. So it's melted down to the road and lasts for about 5 years before you have to go back and resurface it. UVU has one of these logos at 800 South and State. You can see this size is a 14-foot by 12- foot symbol. They decided to orientate it towards as you're driving to UVU, so it's 90 degrees from the way you see it north-south. BYU did a 12-foot by 15-foot logo. This one's actually been replaced with a full BYU And this, this one's located at University Avenue and University Parkway in Provo. And both of those are state intersections. So Pete came up with some options.

Now let's know that these are just ideas to show you that the sky is the limit.

We are not recommending the donut, but it's an option that we have.

Maybe it makes sense in a park on a sidewalk where the kids ride their bikes or something, but there's a lot of options out there. The more colors we go, the more expensive it gets, so keep that in mind. But these are just some options of what we're looking at.

So sky is the limit. We can do whatever design we want. We can have them do it bigger, smaller. We can fill up the entire intersection, which would be an enormous cost, but it can be done.

We want to know if they can be seen from space.

Is this Family City or—

Glow-in-the-dark.

So when the family—

so you've got the one Family City USA like upside down. Is that so the people come this way will see Family City or Yeah, and that can easily be swapped.

You know, I was just trying to get it to be a complete circle, but if we want to flip that around—

Okay, I like it. Yeah, these are, um, just, just display. These aren't the final version by any means. And the colors, we requested some color changes. Their color palette isn't the full gamut. You have about 12 to 18 different colors you have to choose from. of what they can provide.

This is—

Is the square in the middle an option, or is that destroying the motive?

They're great.

Yeah, they're great.

They're great on this one. Do they have to be circles, or— You can do whatever. Yeah, backgrounds. Yeah, and I have some examples.

Aromas.

Could be aromas.

This is, this is Our intersection right out here, State and Center Street, and this is about to scale. This is what it would look like if we did a 20-foot by 20-foot.

Mm-hmm.

A 20-foot by 20-foot would cost about $5,300 per intersection with a 2-color symbol. So we just put together several different options. There's doing it with just white, no background, just like the BYU one and the UVU symbol.

Can you expand that?

In fact, hold on, I have one zoomed in a little bit better. So that's kind of how it would sit in the intersection. We want to put it where you have the least tire shear over it, so in the middle of the intersection is best so you have less traffic running over it so it lasts longer.

Do you know what the lifespan of those are?

Is it 5 years?

They're about 5 years, yeah. And if it's on a really busy road, it might be less because you're just getting so much tire shear over it, it starts to wear down. But what's nice about thermoplastic is when it does wear down, it's still the same color throughout the whole thickness of the— So for Orme, probably last 3 years because that's just the Yeah, it could last. Our stop bars last about 5 years, so yeah, we try to replace stop bars and crosswalks every cycle that we do an overlay or surface treatment on the asphalt. So this is a black background just to make it contrast more With the white?

Do the tire tracks work better over certain colors than others?

Yeah, lighter colors are gonna show some tire color over time. We've proposed in 3 of the busiest intersections, so 8th North and State, Center and State, and University Parkway States. But just kind of want to open it up to your discussion if you like the idea. If you don't, it's—

I mean, how many signs are we doing?

The new signs for Orem? Like the new monument sign?

They're entering into Orem, so maybe put them there with the monument sign on. Why not? So, right, they don't have to be as big, but That would be cool.

I like these intersections. These are very heavily traveled, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, I might add, part of the, the reason we scaled it a 20-foot by 20-foot, you'll notice in that flyover it almost looks like it's a clip of the photo that's in there, but that's actually a lighter gray pattern in the road because there's less road tire shear in that area. We figured if we scale that with a 20 by 20, we can fit it in that void in the middle of the intersection where we have minimal tire shear and extend the life of that logo as much as we possibly can. We can go bigger.

That's kind of the science behind where we chose to scale it the way that we did.

So we'd have 8 If you did it where the monument signs are, so you'd have 8 or 5 more, or no, I guess 8 more than what you have there.

Right, and we can certainly do just as you're suggesting.

Just keep in mind that that logo will no longer be in an island in the middle of the intersection with minimal tire wear.

It'll be right in the lane of traffic where we might be replacing those every 2, 2 and a half, 3 years.

Who knows?

I think you got this sign there already, so you can add more.

I think you're on a makeup point.

That's what I'm trying to— just something I keep in mind. So, and this is for 2-color, $5,300 for 2-color. Is 4-color twice as much, or is it kind of graded, uh, adding additional colors to that? The, the 8-color one, the donut version, was about just over $10,000.

So that one by Krispy Kreme, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, how about 4-color? 4-color, I didn't get a quote for that, but it's— it would be more than exactly 2. Yes, so I can get a slide right now that'll probably be 2. The P are our full formal logo kind of colors.

3 colors.

So 3 plus a background. That's not bad. That's a good number.

Yeah.

I mean, if you really want to pop somewhere, that's your 3-color, 4-color.

You could do the 3 main intersections of 4-color, maybe some of the ones that he's talking about in the 2.

I'm just saying you need to have the sign, but I mean, people know if they're driving north, they're going over.

I don't know, if you did it like 3 feet by 3 feet, then You have one big one right in the very middle where nobody's—

I think it was our streets.

Yeah, they vary. How wide is a typical lane?

12 feet.

Do you want to go up the real path?

It'll be like 35 feet.

It's a 3-lane. Because if you did want to keep branding, you would go with the colors of the flag pretty much.

Yeah.

I like that. You could also do the high school colors if you have them. You're such a member of the high school.

I don't know, just be aware that your colors may blend into the asphalt color. The stationery is concrete, the roads are asphalt, so the green and gray of your logo might not pop.

But we're changing our flag, right?

And then coordinating, of course, with paving with UDOT.

Yeah, it's very important. Luckily the state ones are all, uh, most of them are in concrete and the ones that aren't are brand new.

Okay, the intersections are concrete?

Yeah.

For the most part?

Yeah, for the state ones. Um, University Parkway and State, there might be some asphalt in there, but it's fairly new asphalt. I just think the amount of people that travel, that don't travel through Warren, they don't live here.

No, you're just making a statement.

So that's— that would be my point. It sounds like there's essentially a 5-foot, uh, space in between the wheels that may avoid that.

So you can do 5, 5, and 5, 3 lengths in a row. I think something different.

I mean, you start doing like Other cities would start copying.

Do we have a budget? Because I say, if we can put— yeah, it's okay, $50,000 for it. See how many we can get. I don't know. Is there a budget?

We're all looking at Brandon.

Difficult.

So right now we're working on— we're almost done with adding a fancy running light entrance sign at the east end of University Parkway. We have been updating South State Street, West University Parkway, we've updated West Center Street, but ones we still need to add and are at I have a budget proposal for East Center Street, North State Street, and East 800 North.

And how much do you think of our carryover—

we can only carry so many percentages from our budget. It's a— it'll be a big number for this fiscal year. So right now, though, you know, obviously we're trying to save as much of that as possible to make sure we have— sure, the money we need for the complete city center. But it was a 2 or 3 type of deal, obviously.

Well, they're like $12,500.

Is that what they cost us?

$12,500 was the monument sign.

That's covered. Maybe let's chat about this.

Yeah, but it's a good idea to have.

Maybe put $25,000 for it because we can—

we also have some benches they want, a community park.

Yeah, for our seniors.

Yeah, have asked for those.

Um, yeah, Brandon, we gotta talk to you about money, but yeah. I like the idea. Yeah, start with the 3 and see if we like them, and then we can do more.

We like it. That's a good idea.

Start with the 3 major intersections and expand from there.

Yeah.

No, I want 8. We can probably fit that in. We'll figure it out. Okay.

Or maybe we do one See how it looks with your—

closest to my house, and I can see on 8th North.

Yeah, so maybe do 4 and see if you like it. Or maybe think of what another—

do we have the creative freedom to do what we're, we're going to do, or do you guys want to—

we want to see it.

We want to see it.

So no, right? Sorry, I don't imagine you're ready to make that particular—

I think the branding is very important, right? Right, right.

And I mean, we've got the flag color, we've got that whole design. If we want more pop, you know, yep, having that. So I think we want to get as much pop as we can.

Plus we want our branding to be super cute.

Hey, can we do the 3D in the middle of the street?

We could do like the snowboards.

So I agree with Mayor. I think just initial guidelines, and maybe you guys— is just, yeah, stick with our branding. Yes, for the center and with the color.

And we still haven't figured out our flag, right? So when we figure out that, that might lead us into—

Maybe that leads us to the flag, because what will pop on that?

Don't we already have colors? Aren't we running shades of blue and yellow? Isn't that our—

we do, right?

Which, that one you had was almost there, right?

You just needed one more color.

Yeah, you're— I mean, the sun, the mountains.

Yeah, the colors won't be exactly, exactly what our colors are, just because their color palette is limited, but they'll be close.

Okay.

I say we have the city be able to do it, or you have to— it's somebody's doing it.

We can do it in-house.

You can do it in-house?

Yeah, we would purchase the product.

Yeah.

Taylor, just— I've heard a rumor that they overlay once this summer, so just double-check with you guys. Great. Hey, thank you.

Thank you.

Can I just say that I appreciate, you know, Taylor and our downtown traffic ops team being willing to come up with, you know, new creative ideas.

Nice.

Match, you know, they— our staff down to, you know, all of us at the organization, they hear your council areas of focus and it gets applied fun, new, and creative ways. So I love that this is fun evidence of trying to align with those folks who came up with that.

Yeah, bringing your creativity and your, your knowledge of that.

Yeah, no, I think it's perfect. I mean, if you, if you look at where we're going, you know, with all the monument signs and with these, I mean, it'll have a whole different feel, you know, as you enter the city. So That'd be awesome. Well, we appreciate your support. It's been fun. We'll, uh, take that as a yes, and we'll start putting together some concepts and maybe review those later when you guys get closer to your final flag decision, I suppose.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, next up we've got rental dwelling license, uh, with Ryan Clark. While Pete's loading that, if you do happen to drive by the monument sign heading down the hill into Provo or coming up by IHOP on the parkway, they've been removed. The old logos have been removed, and we're waiting on a company to come out and sandblast those concrete monuments and resurface them because The old logo didn't come off very well, so they look really bad right now, but we've got a contractor coming to clean those up, and then we'll put the new signs on. So, uh, Mayor and Council, based on our discussion at our last meeting about the license, the rental dwelling license program, we took your recommendation and have modified the code And I just wanted to share that with you tonight. As a reminder, we talked about eliminating the ongoing annual fee for an accessory dwelling unit. So we've changed the licensing fee here. We're proposing it to say the owner of a house with a legal accessory dwelling unit is required to pay the licensing fee for the initial license application and is not required to pay the licensing fee on an ongoing annual basis. And then to clarify, Councilmember Millet brought up what happens if it's sold. We, we've added, if a house with a legal ADU is sold to a new owner, the new owner is required to apply for a new license and pay the initial application fee. If this looks okay to you, we bring this forward in a formal meeting for an ordinance adoption, and that would be our adjustment goal for next year. So if there's any feedback, positive, negative, or direction, that'd be appreciated.

I think it solves the problem. We were, you know, a bunch of people who had their family living with them over here, so I think that, that solves the problem.

Again, our goal of getting the unit— first off, it's— we make sure it's legal and then they register it. That was our goal, is to know they existed, so when neighbors call complaining, we can let them know that, hey, yeah, it's a legal unit. Oh no, it's not. Let's make sure we work with the information. So I'll just give you guys like 12 minutes of time. It looks good.

We're good.

Just so you're aware, so because obviously the ordinance hasn't passed, later today when we do the tentative budget meeting, that budget does not include this change. So once this is approved, then in our adopted Budget, obviously we would then incorporate that into that as well.

That'll be in our final budget.

Sounds good.

Thank you.

We should give a prize for whoever does that. Okay, next up we've got item number 5, business safety and neighborhood refresh grants, and I'll have Jared Reach represent that. Jared, if you'd like to introduce the rest of your group. Yep, so I'm Detective Reach with the Elmore Police Department, been there about 16 years. We have Hannah Matthews, who's now over our— yeah, I guess in conjunction with our COP program and NIT, and then Kathy Lewis will appear. So She's over the business OPA sector.

I'll say while he's getting that set up is I'm all in favor of having the donut one.

Where do you want it, Jared? Where do you want it?

Close by the police department. I get in trouble. Hey, it's okay. I mean, we call them power rings. That's great. Don't ruin your credibility before you even start the presentation.

Yeah, I already did. So we're here to talk about the Business Safety and Security Grant. This kind of came from the police department side of things where we're taking a more proactive approach instead of being reactive. We're trying to think of what we can be to be proactive in the in the realm of the criminal aspect of criminal mischief, burglaries, thefts that we're having in the city. We're seeing a lot of uptick in crime, especially with COVID that was happening. We, we saw a lot of businesses that kept getting hit over and over again. So what we started, what we looked into was— We needed funds. to do that. So the neighborhood, the neighborhood improvement—

what is it?

Neighborhoods in Action.

Yes, that's right. Neighborhoods in Action. There was a fund that was already there with an account of $62,970.

Yeah.

So spoke to city manager last year. He thought it was a great idea to take that funding and use it towards this, this grant program that we have.

So, this is you.

So, the Business Safety and Security Grant Program would use $40,000 of this current matching grant funding and award between 20 and 40 different small business grants in the amount of anywhere between $250 to $2,500 to qualifying businesses that are in Orem. And it would be for business owners in Orem only. It'd be need-based and targeted to those businesses that have had theft problems, vandalism, that have had burglaries against their businesses. And if this becomes an ongoing business, then businesses can only apply for it every 3 to 5 years. And the grants would be reimbursable based on receipt, or it could be paid directly to the vendor with an invoice. It will have an application process, an approval process, and we're just now finishing up the policy and procedures manual. And to do— that's just to make sure that it's a fair and equitable way that we're administering these grants. And so it really supports the intent of the program to improve the safety and security for Orem. And a 5-member board would be put in place, and they would determine the grant awards. And as part of this process, a property inspection would take place by a community-oriented police officer, such as Detective Beach, or one of the team, to help determine if that business qualifies, and to help advise the business on how do you— how to adequately use those funds. Is that lighting? Is it safety and security? And some of the examples are like deadbolts, landscaping, security systems, extra lighting, security cameras, those types of things. So the Neighborhood Refresh Program, which is part of this, would take about $20,000 of those funds and would provide grants to resident homeowners up to about $500. to help with minor safety maintenance and landscape needs. The program would be for only homeowners. We would target people that are a little more low income, living in target neighborhoods, or struggling with nuisance code compliance. Almost every day my NIT officers get, well, I don't have the money to do that. And so we can say, well, we have this grant program, now you have the money to do that. They could receive a grant every 3 to 5 years. And this grant program could also be used by our neighborhood commission. So if there was something in their district that they wanted to do, a project or something in their district, they could also apply for these funds for those districts. They'll be reimbursable as well. Priority will be given to exterior projects, not interior projects, because we want to make sure that, you know, our neighbors— neighborhoods are looking well. There'll be an application process. And NIT will actually add Act as the loan or grant committee on this. They'll be doing inspections as well. This can be used for security, sprinkling systems, landscaping, fence repair, porch paint, junk removal, organization, things like that.

So the amount of the $60,000, $20,000 of that's going to go to the neighborhood section of it, and then that $40,000 would go over to the business safety and security. With that, the projected annual savings would be around $166,000, with $106,000 being annual net savings.

The way we came up with that was we basically looked at the amount of cases that NIP officers had, police officers had, and that the ALJ judge was dealing with, and based that off of hours and cost of the wages. And we came up with it, you know, totaling $106,000.

You can see the different, different areas with the police department saving around $62,000, uh, being calls and responses that we're sending officers out to.

So we've, um, passed this by the Warm Neighborhood Commission, and they're recommending that we use this funding for these different programs. So we believe that one of the benefits of the Business Safety and Security Grant Program really is to contribute to the council's goal of a thriving and balanced business environment. It also supports the economic development strategic plans, goals of strengthening business entrepreneurship and innovation, business retention and attraction efforts. And we believe that it really supports an improved and strengthened rapport between businesses and the Orem Police Department. It would contribute to safer business areas that can lead to an increase, for example, in business patronage, higher property values, better employee retention, more resident pride in businesses, and generally a greater quality of life for residents in the City of Orem. And it may also happen that businesses might see their neighbor improving their exterior of their business, and it might cause them to want to bring up some and create some improvements in their own business too. It would help draw new businesses to Oron when they see that it's improved in their safety. And just for— by way of information, no CDBG funds will use them— that will be used in the Business Safety and Security Grant Program. Neighborhood benefits, as it meets the council's goal, safe, livable, livable, engaged, and connected neighborhoods. It gives the Neighborhood Improvement Team another tool in their compassionate toolbox. It helps create positive relationships between residents, Neighborhood Improvement Team, and the city. It helps with why homes and properties are brought to a community standard, helping increase neighborhood safety, stability, and image. Better neighborhoods lead to increased homeownership, higher property values, more citizen participation, more resident retention, and greater quality of life. It encourages, like Kathy said, businesses, it encourages other neighbors to repair and revitalize their properties. It's an effective, well-known revitalization technique. When I worked at Neighborhood Housing several years ago, if we would paint a house on a corner, all of a sudden the house up the street would get painted and this house up the street would get painted. It's an interesting thing that happens that way. And the way it will help us leverage some of our state funding, private dollars, and in-kind donations, providing for greater change in the neighborhoods. So this time it's just basically a trial one-time grant program, but if it does become an ongoing program, here's some different ideas to possibly enlarge the program, to do a matching grant, to utilize volunteer support, for example, from the city's Preservation Team Program, United Way, different nonprofit organizations, maybe BYU and UVU. We can possibly research supplemental funding such as from Home Depot or AARP. We could also leverage CDBG funding and other federal and state dollars and programs whenever possible.

I think it's just another way to bridge that gap between the residents and businesses. When we go out to those calls and, and respond to a burglary or whatnot, instead of just taking that report and just saying, hey, you know, tough luck, we'll try to, we'll try to catch the bad guy, it's more like— We do have this grant available. That could be something that could be relayed to them through our officers so they can No, so they know that we as a police department aren't just trying to be reactive, but we're going to be more proactive in what we can do to make these businesses safer and the residents safer.

So is that just going to be word of mouth, or how else would you market it for—

to get that information to businesses and to the citizens?

For businesses, we're going to launch this in July at our Orem Business Alliance Lunch and Learn monthly event. That's the second Tuesday of every month at 11:30. And so Detective Weach will come and he and I will kind of tag team and present it to businesses. We'll probably also send it out in our emails that we send out to our local businesses. We'll put it on the economic development website and possibly even through the city's Facebook, whatever we can do to get the business private. So I can think of some business businesses that I, I don't know if you're in communication with them or not, but that might benefit from this thing type of program.

I guess that's my question.

Do you know if they are on your email list or they come to these luncheons, or, you know, are there ways to say, you know, maybe we knock a door and say, you might benefit from this? The businesses that are on our email list are the current licensed businesses in Orem, and then also additional businesses that want to be part, you know, aren't necessarily from Orem but are in the region. But this program would be only for Orem business licensed businesses.

If you have businesses you want to send to Kathy, she can probably reach out to them. Absolutely.

I could do a special email, special invitation to our business event in July that would help them to understand, because a lot of times they're just so busy, the small business owner, right, just doing their business.

That they don't come to the luncheons and things, that they— that's great.

And I think you, frankly, Kathy, I've watched what you've done and you're doing a fantastic job. I don't think we'll be marketing it a lot. We'll be using it as a tool with our NITE, and we'll put it on our resident resources page and neighborhood page, but those will go pretty fast if we market it too quickly. And that's the thing is you really want to go to the ones in need, right? Right.

That's your goal too.

Okay, awesome.

It's a security-based program, right? So those most likely to have issues with security or where you really want to go on completion.

No, exactly.

Places are— anyway, you're gonna have a very limited supply. So that seemed like you would proactively try and figure out who would benefit the most.

And also those who have had reports of theft, vandalism done on their property, and they could really use it, that it would be So I'll just emphasize that this would be with existing dollars, and so then we would do this.

It's our recommendation to do this, essentially use these existing dollars as a proof of concept and report back. Once this falls, we hope that we can come back with, you know, hopefully requests for ongoing dollars. There may be other grant programs.

That's my question, Ken. Is $20,000 enough for right now? It'll be okay because we can use CDBG dollars for some of this as well. Yeah.

Any other questions?

And just kind of basic, I'm guessing this is really— these are owner-occupied homeowners?

Yeah, they will be home. It is all occupied. There will not be landlords or renters. that, at least on the— just clarifying.

Yeah, wonderful.

I like your reach out for volunteers through some of those other—

that's often a sticking point, right?

So that's great.

Do you have some thoughts on what you will do to—

so when we come back here from now to determine if this was effective or it needs more money, or have you got ways to be accountable?

So we have our crime analysis Bryson, who is actually the one that pulled all the numbers for us. So we hope to go back in a year's time once that's in place and kind of see if there— some of those high crime areas have lowered because of lighting or security cameras or whatnot.

So, okay, so we could go back and look at those numbers.

And then we can also look at how quickly an IT case is resolved, you know. So that's something else that we could look at is, you know, know, it's not going to ALJ now, it's not going to citation, it's resolved because we're able to help them fix their sprinkler or whatever needs to be done. So, and we also, also have a polling system that we do at our own business alliance lunches. So that's an option to ask if any of the businesses have participated in the program, if they give us feedback, or we could send a poll out as we keep track of those businesses that have, you know, had an opportunity to partake in the program to ask them for I think that'd be great, but I do think that's an important part of the program, so that's something you can measure by next year. That's great.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Chris Peace to New Voss Special District Service or Special Service District. Mayor, Council, appreciate the time. I don't have a presentation, pretty quick. I've been serving on as the board representative for the City of Orem on New Voss, which is a special service district. We participate along with, I believe it's 14 other cities. It's the North Utah Valley Animal Shelter. So basically think of Orem north all the way out to Eagle Mountain, Saratoga Springs, even the small Cedar Ford out there has a representative. It's been great. It's been a great experience. The biggest push right now is to To train my people. I am over the animal control. Chris Pease has been with the city now 5 years. He did 14 years with Sandy City as an animal control officer prior to working for Orem. He's shown an interest in getting more involved with the animal shelter, having more of a direct knowledge. definitely beneficial for the city as well. And so yeah, we've talked with Chief Adams and he's, he's good with the proposal to make Chris the board representative.

We'd still—

I'd still have direct contact with him as far as the financial stuff and whatnot to budget, as far as making sure, working with Brandon and different things as far as that goes.

fees or whatnot.

But, uh, he's got my support, um, and we're just looking for, uh, a resolution to get him appointed as the, the new VOS board representative for the City of Warren. So any questions about what that is, what it looks like here? Um, so there's really not a time frame, and so what, what will actually happen is we will appoint him as a board member through the county, but I will also still be a board member. So what a lot of the cities are doing now is they're, they're doing 2.

So for—

there's a lot of times we go to— we'll go, I'll go to it, and other people have conflicts, right? Other cities, people can't attend. And so then we don't have a quorum. And then if you don't have a quorum, you have— we have no voting power to make things change. So most of the cities are following suit. looking to do as far as add an additional board member, um, as far as that goes. And we've approved that through our legal representation with, uh, who represents the special service district as well.

So my question is, like, on the— I know we had a lot of emails last year, the year before, about the animals. and how they euthanize animals. Um, I mean, is it— would it be something that would be beneficial for the council to do a tour to the animal shelter to see, um, really what's going on? And I mean, there are a lot of animals that are strays, and, you know, and maybe how that process is, because I don't know. I mean, I would be interested.

I'm a pet owner, right? Just maybe that might be good information. I don't know if anybody else wants that, but I'd be interested.

I just think that then we at least— if we're getting emails, at least we can answer questions so we know, we really know how it works, right? Because we had a lot of them from, you know, how they were euthanizing animals and was it humane and everything in that, you know.

I mean, we want to make sure it is and we things are right. So that might be something to set up and have a nice tour. I've made a note. I'm a big fan of site tours. Okay, yeah, we can— I can definitely work with Brandon.

We can get something set up.

And just to follow up with what you're talking about, the last year there was a lot of emails being circulated, people from mainly not Within Utah County, out of state, very activist based on—

NuVos was still operating with—

as the gas chamber, was euthanizing animals with the gas chamber. That has been shut down. They are now— they have switched over to euthanasia by injection. And so they are following the updated guidelines from the— Humane Society and the other organizations that are recommending, uh, type of euthanasia.

So, you know, I hope we can just get a better educational background on exactly how they work. Absolutely.

I, I think, uh, Tug Gettling, he, uh, we are the fiduciary, um, for, um, the shelter, and so we, we work directly with him. Brandon works, uh, tirelessly with him As far as budget goes.

And so it's—

that would be a great thing to have that connection. Any other questions? Okay, okay, awesome. So we're all good then, we can proceed with the resolution, Steve, I'm guessing, for the 16th. I'm guessing we're meeting next. So thanks, Mayor, Council, thank you. Appreciate your time.

Thank you.

I think we've ever gotten through.

Our Father in heaven, we're grateful to have you come and enjoy this meal that's been provided. We appreciate that, that has been prepared and prepared for us. I pray to attend us this evening as we carry on with the business of the city. We appreciate those who work for the city and those those who govern. We are grateful for this opportunity to live in America and the freedoms that we do enjoy. We ask you save us the blessings in thy holy name of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

Amen.

I don't know, it's just an adult thing.

Looks like it's all better and everything.

There you go. No, I'm on my keto diet, but this is really healthy. Oh yeah, I'm trying to, but when Julie says I'm fat, I can't keep up with her.

Oh yes, I can't imagine. I think I can. Yeah, but thanks. Yeah, it's not bad. I haven't tried the teriyaki chicken.

This is my second wing.

I was down 3.5 pounds. That's what I do now.

Yeah, it's not easy to do.

I've been waiting patiently.

Really?

Do you do patience? Yes, I do, in one way or another. All right, welcome back after our dinner break. Let's go through the agenda, but first we're going to let— Yes, if you'd like to report.

They're sleeping already.

So I serve on 6 different commissions. So the first one, I think we know a lot about, and that's the CDBG Commission. I just want to say Ken is doing a great job targeting those funds to areas need in our community.

We get the frequent reporting to our City Council meeting, and that's just—

they're going great guns there doing good things. Public Works Commission. One of the things I want to highlight is that our Public Works Department is coordinating our capital improvement projects for the streets. They're coordinating that with streets to make sure that when they do some upgrades or maintenance on the streets, that the utilities in that area are in good shape.

So kind of what we were talking about before, just so it's a whole comprehensive plan to better serve our residents.

I'm on the Library Advisory Commission.

We're beginning our summer reading program, which is always very popular.

We have had some great donations for prizes from our local businesses.

What's your theme this year? Remember? I do.

All Together Now.

I cannot remember.

All Together Now.

Okay, thank you, Pete, for doing that. Um, over the last year, our traffic in the library has increased by 20%, which is really good. And then one other wonderful project coming out in the next 6 months.

In about 6 months, they will have lockers at the Hillcrest Park area so someone can check out a book and it will be delivered to lockers in that area where the residents can go pick up their book there.

That's amazing.

That's a great idea. Really appreciate Bryce and our library. Would that be in the gym area or where would that be?

Outdoors, so you can do 24/7 pickup, sort of like those Amazon lockers. So yeah, they'll be able to check it out online and then we remove the transportation barrier for them. They can just get over there and get their book.

Do you give them a code or how does it work? Yep.

And so once you enter the code that's to your locker, it checks— that's when it checks it out to you and you become responsible for it.

Okay, so that's pretty amazing.

That's great.

Very forward-thinking.

Thanks to our library employees there. I also serve on the UCC board. We've just really been communicating by email, going over financial statements. our— the UCCU Center is what that entails, and they're just having some great activities there with our community and involve our community there down at UVU. Let's see, and I think the last one is our Historic Preservation Advisory Commission. We had a great presentation by our chair, Lon, who went through and had a slideshow of a lot of the historic buildings in Orem, and he had some great information on those. We're working to preserve that information, maybe do a guided tour, a self-guided tour through the community and get some of the history there to preserve that before it's gone.

Another really exciting thing is we have had a member of our community put forth an idea for women's and children's monument idea here in Morum.

So that's just in the very beginning stages. They're looking for grants to kind of make that happen.

But, um, yeah, great things. In a nutshell, those are my commissions.

Good. Well, thank you. I think you won the award for the most commissions, right?

I did. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. Well, oh, I didn't do Neighborhood Advisory Commission. I shared that with Jeff.

I do have one more. I shared that one with Jeff. And one thing I do want to say, our last meeting that we had, I was very impressed with our neighborhood improvement team. They are really doing a great job. We're helping residents, as we saw from the presentation tonight, to just beautify Orem and revitalize Orem.

So when you took over Brent Sumner's stuff, did he have all these?

He, um, all but one. I think I joined, but well, no, CDBG. He didn't have that and he didn't have neighborhood as well. Okay, so I guess— well, yeah, I think we might do a little rearranging.

I'm good.

No, you're not gonna have to rearrange. Anyway, I'm good.

Okay, thank you. All right, we'll just run through the agenda. Item number 3, call to order. Item number 4, location. And who's— keep one of these. Who's a little bit obsessed with tech? Who do you want to say something? Sure. Um, age report, personal appearances. Consent items. Uh, we just got one thing on the consent items, approval of meeting minutes. And item 9, we've got scheduled items. Uh, we've got a public hearing. Thank goodness. This is on, uh, go-kart tracks, indoor only. So we'll be talking about that. We've got a resolution, 9.2, resolution request for conditional use permit. That's for that group we've been talking about for a while, Brady's Place. We got 9.3, public hearing resolution adopting the fiscal year tentative budget. I've been waiting all day, Brandon.

$10 if you can do it in 10 minutes.

If she upped the ante, it might be better.

$10.

So when we do the budget, you can pop it in. We've got public hearing and resolution. We get to do both, or we'll just do the public hearing and come back to the resolution as far as a vote? So what's the question on 9.3 still? Yeah, 9.3.

It's not actually public hearing.

It's not, it's not a public hearing.

It's just, I thought it was not. I thought the actual adoption of the final budget is public hearing, but the tentative is— I was looking at the state code, I didn't see that.

We've always done it.

Okay, we've always done it, but it's probably not required. Okay, so, okay, so that one will—

we'll have a presentation, we'll have a public hearing.

Oh, we're not gonna—

are we gonna— we're not voting though, right?

Yeah, you are.

You are voting to adopt the 10-year budget, then you'll adopt the final budget, I think, in June sometime.

Okay.

And you'll set the date for the public hearing, consider the final— or to adopt the final budget.

Resolution has that. Yeah, this will be a resolution to accept this agenda factor, and then we'll vote. And the schedule— and the final one, I think, is actually words, if I remember correctly.

What's that?

I think the adoption is actually artifact.

Yes, well, you can do it by resolution or ordinance.

Yeah, that'll be a history of it, settings of it, probably. Yes, Brandon will explain what they have. To set the date. Yeah, I mean, what you're doing, you approve the tentative budget in case, in case something happens. You have a budget that's been approved that we can operate on come July 1st. For whatever reason, we're unable to adopt the budget. Okay, then allows— by adopting the budget, then you also then have From now until that date to ask questions, look it over, come up with— maybe there's some adjustments you want to make, anything like that, that you would then bring forward as part of that June 13th meeting. And we bring that into that meeting and vote on, you know, not only adopting, but if there's a change you want to make, voting on that change as part of that adoption.

Okay.

Correct. Okay, all right, thanks. Um, item 9.4, resolution notifying Utah County of Orem's intent to submit opinion questions to Orem voters regarding renewal of CARE tax. Okay.

Adam was asking if it's similar language to what it was So all this is—

this is not the resolution to put the item on the ballot to renew it. We have to notify the county of our intent before we can do a resolution placing on the ballot.

Okay.

Then they have 60 days to get back to us and say we're going to do our own CARE tax or not. And so basically it's just a preliminary step before we get to the next step, which is actually doing a resolution, putting it on the ballot. Specifying, specifying all those things, the allocations.

Are they thinking about doing their own?

Not that I've heard. It's just, it's just a step the state law requires us to take.

Okay, thanks. So we'll discuss that resolution and then we'll vote if you want to do that.

Yes, I would suggest that we vote to do that right away because we have a timeline we have to still meet, right?

So this, this gives us plenty of wiggle room, but we still don't want to delay. We got number 10, financial summary.

Right.

I have 11 city manager information items. There's, uh, 2 council meeting birthdays to celebrate. Got Councilmember Lamson, who chose his tree. Celebration after council meeting for when the city has its birthday. So City turns 104 on May 4th. So we have some cake coming. I think we have enough room if some of the public wants to come. This is a double benefit. This will make you I just want David Austin to come sing his Farm Turning 104. I can turn that song on if you'd like.

Yeah, I would.

Saved on my phone.

But he needs to change the 100 to 104.

Then we're going to adjourn to a meeting of the Farm Pre-Development Agents. So the RDA is a separate legal entity from the city, so therefore it has its own board, which is you, but you act in a different type of capacity, chairman of the board, etc. So we have, we have to hold the mandate, and then there's a budget obviously for the RDA, and we'll probably have a short presentation That as well, as well as approving the minutes from last year. Usually when you do that, you have 3 or 4 minutes for people to leave after successfully, or want to leave, or just the ones who just keep staying there. I will, I will stay there. Well, I guess I will, because you do have an item after me, so I guess I will jump up and back on, I guess. But people obviously welcome to So we'll just, we'll just adjourn. Yeah, then we've got item 14, RDA scheduled items, public hearing for resolution. Same concept as the regular budget.

I have a lot of votes tonight.

Um, adjourned to a meeting of the Orange Special Service Lighting District. And, uh, item 16, approval of the SSLD meeting minutes. That's item 1. And then we've got, um, item 17, SSLD scheduled items, public hearing resolutions. There is no budget for the MBA, no activity, no budget. So it's just a matter of creating minutes and basically have it holding the board board meeting, required board meeting to, in essence, make for it to continue being a legal entity. All right, and then we have our 4th and final adjournment after that.

So everybody makes a motion?

Yeah.

Yeah.

All 4 of you.

Any questions?

Test, test, test, test.

That one may work. Test, test.

Test.

Test, test. Test, test. We're going to avoid the prayer.

Oh, nice.

Hi, you.

We'd like to welcome you tonight and call this meeting to order. We're going to start out with an invocation by Taylor Canlan and a Pledge of Allegiance by Jacqueline Canlan. And Jeff invited these folks here, so if you'd like to Welcome home.

Yeah, we'd like to thank Taylor and Jackie for doing this this evening. Taylor and Jackie are longtime Orem residents. They have 6 children and are the proud parents of those wonderful children. All of them— well, almost all of them have gone to Orem High, and one is still in junior high working their way there. But Taylor and Jackie have always been great pillars in the community of service. And so we're grateful that they're here this evening. I do just have to say something about Taylor. Some of you might remember a couple of years ago, I showed up with a really good black eye from playing basketball. Taylor was the man that shared that with me. So in spite of that, we still are good friends and love each other. So thanks for being here tonight, guys. Our dear Father in heaven, we're so grateful to be able to begin these proceedings tonight with a word of prayer. We're grateful for this wonderful city, for the great nation and state that we have the opportunity to be a part of. We're grateful for each person serving here tonight and across our community. And, uh, We ask thy Spirit to be with us this evening throughout the deliberations. Bless these wonderful men and women and their families as they're away from them. Bless that we'll be able to hear one another, understand the needs of our community members, and address them with wisdom beyond our own. We pray for all those wonderful people throughout our community, especially those who have difficult and troublesome needs. Help us to be able to lift one another's burdens and help one another along our way. We love Thee. We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen.

Thank you.

Please rise for the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Item number 7, personal appearances, and we don't have any requests tonight for personal appearances, so we'll move on. Item number 8.1. Consent items. We've just got on our consent items the approval of meeting minutes for April 11th and April 25th.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the meeting minutes for April 11th and April 25th.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

The consent items are approved. Thank you. Now we'll move to scheduled items. Item number 9.1. We've got a public hearing. And this is a tongue twister: amending Section 22-11-49C, permitted uses in the PD-36 zone, to add SLU zone— SLU code 7233, go-kart tracks indoor only, as a permitted use in the PD-36 zone located generally At 1439 North 1380 West. And Jason, our Assistant Development Services, would like to present that.

Thank you, Mayor. I'm not used to going so quick, so sorry about that. So the PD-36 zone, which is out on Geneva Road, as you know, was developed The PD zone itself was developed several years ago. It was designed to have multiple uses in there. Originally, the idea was to have an office building next to I-15, have some retail along Geneva Road, and then have some facilities in between— office, warehousing. It's turned out that the owner has developed it as office warehouse. There is some ability to do Some additional retail next to Geneva Road, but the owner of the property to the north has recently— it's been a year or so— that came in and actually— this thing will work. Anyway, the property to the north was purchased by the developer here tonight and rezoned to the PD-36, would also allow office warehouse, and he's chosen to develop Office Warehouse, 3 different office buildings. And what he's proposing is to amend the ordinance, and for some reason my computer is not working. Try it again. Amend the ordinance to allow a land use code to allow go-karts in that facility. If you look at the— your ordinance, it does have several uses, like I mentioned, hotels— hotels, but office buildings, restaurants, fast food, all those types of things are permitted. So it's consistent with the other uses that are there. He wants to take part of his building, about a third of one of the buildings, and lease it to a tenant that's going to put a go-kart track and some other virtual reality type games and things in there. They're all electric, so there'll be no exhaust or fumes like that. So it's— and they have 348 parking stalls in there as well. So staff and the Planning Commission has made a positive recommendation that that be approved. Staff supports that decision, knowing that there's a lot of parking. 348 is a lot for an office warehouse type development, so we don't— Yes, control.

Sorry, I don't know why my computer's not—

Anyway, the one day I need my computer doesn't work, right? So anyway, so the Planning Commission made a recommendation for simply adding the SLU code for the go-karts, which is 7233, into the list of permitted uses. And that's what they're proposing tonight. So Planning Commission did make a recommendation. I'd be glad to address any questions. If I get this going, I'll be able to show you some pictures as well.

So is this inside the— inside the building?

Inside the building, yes. It'll be indoors. Like I say, the go-karts are electric, so there'd be no issues with that.

There—

I think there's only 12 total go-karts on the track at one time, so it's a pretty limited use. We're not talking, you know, 50 or 60 like you would typically want to think. So it's going to be limited as far as the number. There are some peripheral, you know, games and different things as well, so it will attract some others to play those games while they're waiting maybe to get on the track and stuff.

But does it take up the entire office warehouse?

It takes up a third of one of the larger buildings.

And how big is that larger building ballpark? So I'll take up a third of that.

I do have a question about noise. Will it be— I know they're electric, but will there be any noise related to them, or are they just— so the actual go-karts, are there noise?

The go-kart operator's not here, but yeah, they're fairly quiet. Quiet, as far as my understanding.

Yeah, really quiet.

Could be a lot of laughing.

A lot of laughing if this gentleman drives.

It might be a lot of laughing.

So can I just clarify, so you're going to have this section of the go-karts and then you're going to have another section that is other games? Yes, kind of like the—

we have 3 clients in that building. Next door is Just Ingredients. Which is—

you want to turn your mic on?

I don't know if that's— anyway, I own the building and there's 3 clients in there and they're on the end facing the freeway. So yeah.

And you're not concerned with parking at all? You think you have sufficient for those businesses to still be able to—

Yeah, I think a lot of the A lot of the business will probably be going on in the evening, late afternoon, as people are going home. But I don't anticipate a lot of people in that building, a lot of parking needs.

Are you sharing parking with other buildings also, or—

Well, I have 3 buildings kind of lined up. From the freeway is building number 3 with the back to the, to the freeway, and that'll be a furniture company. And building number 2, the middle building, it's kind of vertical with building number 1 being vertical as well.

Once—

One's 85,000 feet. The other ones Excuse me. 90-something thousand feet. But I really don't anticipate problems because there's only 6 cars going at a time. I'm sorry, 12 cars.

Thank you.

Thank you very much. Hi. So with 200-plus, and I think there's Well over 300 parking spaces altogether.

So, yeah.

Okay.

So, so I'm still not quite clear. So you've got 3 buildings.

Yes.

And in one of those buildings is going to be the go-kart operation, or is it going to be part of another? So it will be 1/3 of roughly 1/3 of one of the 3 buildings?

Yes.

Okay. And that, and that, and that takes up about how much space?

30 or 40?

Actually, the square footage of the space that we're occupying is 40,000 square feet.

That's the, that's the go-kart.

Yeah, the kart, the track itself occupies almost 30,000 of that square footage. The rest is office space, restrooms, a little prep area, some waiting area. But we run 12 cars at a time. And so what the only number of people that we have in there at one time is less than 30, even though we can accommodate more. And right around our space, we've got big loading docks on the north, on the south, And we've got all of the parking that's on our side of the building that goes down 1/3 of the space of that big long building. We'll never fill it up. So, you know, there's plenty of parking for that accommodation.

Okay. Are the other tenants good with bringing in—

We haven't had any comment with them, have they?

I mean, it won't disturb their businesses.

No. I think one is a warehouse primarily, so there'll be very few people there. And the other one is a small manufacturing company that would not have occupied more than— I don't know how many, but they're only taking 20,000 square feet.

Okay.

So Jason, this PD-36, it is just for that PD zone, not any—

That is correct. So it only affects the PD-36, which is Between I-15 and Geneva Road.

And there's no other PD-36 that— no, it would bleed into, you know, on the other part or anything, just that section.

So this— he owns the north part. There's another south part PD-36 that has some other office warehouses. So that whole complex is PD-36. So any bleeding with parking or anything like that would be internal to the PD-36.

I mean, somebody could do another go-kart in that In that, yes. But it would be redundant because—

Right.

Yep.

From Jason, from staff perspective, are there any downsides that come up to this?

I don't believe so. With the amount of parking that they have and the fact that it's— it was designed originally to be kind of a mix of uses, you know, office and other retail, it's not inconsistent with what is currently allowed. So they could have fast food They could have internal dining restaurants type of thing, so which would probably attract more clients than, than this one would. So I think we're comfortable as far as staff is concerned, and Planning Commission agreed as well.

And are there many all-electric go-kart tracks in Utah?

Yes, there are 2. Yeah, they're— but they're different. I don't— I'm not familiar with the number that they are. The owner of the actual go-kart— oh, hi, Sean. He was, he was stuck in traffic.

What am I taking over?

How many go-karts are there?

How many different?

Because yours are electric. So the question was, how many other go-kart tracks are there that are electric only? And they're in here?

One's, one's up in Sandy.

And one is in Pleasant Grove, but the Pleasant Grove one is a different type of track. It's not, it's not like ours. It's more of an adult amusement ride. It's got the 2-level, so it's a completely different setup.

And how is— I guess we'll eventually see what the track looks like.

With only 12 vehicles, I don't know that— I mean, there might be some crowds pending, but I don't think you're going to see a lot of people pending You know, to get on there. Might be— I think they were talking about competitions with some BYU students and UVU students, so there's going to be that. But with a limited number of vehicles on the track at one time, you know, you're going to have some people, but it's not going to be 600-800 people.

I don't believe it's going to be a pretty small group.

At least that's my thought. You're welcome to—

The number of people on the track at a time?

No, in the complex.

I don't know.

Oh yeah, no, no. So what happens is, because we can only have— for insurance purposes, we can only have 11 11 carts at a time running. It's all based on the— and that's determined by the length of the track. That's how the insurance companies will determine that. Um, so because of that, what happens is a group will come in and they're out racing. Another group might come in, and if you— if, if there's a— you can get into an hour or 2-hour waiting period pretty quick because these— while you're out racing. Only 11 at a time. The others are waiting. A lot of times they'll, they'll leave and then come back when it's closer to their time to racing. So it's— we can set the times.

So you—

we—

it won't be a, a big congregation of 300 people, or I mean, you won't even have— I bet you won't even have 50 people sitting in there at a time.

Yeah, seems like the only real issue is, is whether or not it hurts other businesses in the area and ultimately pushes them out. But if you own other buildings in there, you must feel pretty confident about that not being an issue, right?

I haven't heard any negatives. To be honest, I haven't asked. But I think that the Pleasant Grove track I've actually been to, and really business doesn't pick up until late afternoon when most people are going home, so I don't really see a conflict, especially with as many parking spaces we have.

So we did notify everybody within the PD-36, just so you're aware, we— all the businesses that currently own are aware of what's happening tonight.

So I would assume that, you know, during the summer you probably have longer hours than in the winter because school's out, correct? Or no?

The hours will stay the same.

They're consistent across the board.

I don't know what's going to happen on Sundays, to be honest with you, with the, you know, Utah County It's different. We're gonna— that'll probably be a kind of a trial and error type of thing, whether or not we— we may not even open on Sundays. We'll have to see how it goes. Um, I know The Grid does, but it's limited hours, and that would— that's kind of our thought process right now, is just less hours on Sunday. During— we won't open until 11 throughout the week, even on the weekends. Um, and then it's, uh, Monday through Thursday, the goal So the plan is to close at 10, and then Friday, Saturday will probably be 11:30-ish is kind of what we're looking. And then Sunday would be like a 12 to 6.

Were there— was there any opposition to this from the neighboring businesses?

Jason, we have not heard anything.

I actually called my neighbor Tony Cook that owns all of the land adjacent to us on the north. Tony says, no, I love it. I asked him to send an email. I don't think that happened. But, you know, that was the only comment that we got from anybody.

Sounds like a fun place. a fun activity to add to Orem.

So my daughter's one who kind of pushes us to this. I don't know if you've shared.

No, I haven't shared.

So you need to.

So my, my daughter who's 12, she, she races nationally. So she's on the national circuit. She races around the country in a go-kart. And, um, during the winter months, I would take her to one of these other indoor centers up north. Um, because it was a similar type of layout to give her seat time.

Just to keep—

it was a fairly technical track, so it's good for her. And she's the one who said, hey, this would be fun to have one of these. We got to try them. So I started looking into it, and we actually tried buying that one as a— they wouldn't sell it outright, so we tried going down the franchise route. They originally agreed to it, and then they kind of decided not to. It's kind of a corporate-owned thing. out of California or local 12-year-old kid who's excited about it. So it'll actually bring a lot of business for the surrounding businesses, believe it or not, because a lot of adults go to these centers and race. A lot of big corporate events take place at these, and that's going to be one of our big pushes is to go get a lot of these businesses, surrounding businesses to do their team building events. And it's a lot of fun for them. So it'll actually generate a lot of— A lot of business.

So, Brian, do we have that in the budget? We can have city council raise—

You know what, you don't need the budget.

There you go, we don't need the budget.

Nice.

All right, any other questions from the council? Let's go ahead and open this for public hearing if anyone has any comments. Okay, we'll close the public hearing.

I'll make a motion. Yeah, the City Council amend Section 22-11-49C, permitted uses in the PD-36 zone to add SLU code 7233, go-kart tracks indoor only, as a permitted use in the PD zone located generally at 1439 North 1380 West.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Resolution passes.

Thank you.

Well, thank you. We'll be coming down for our, you know, bring your wallet.

So when will it be open? What's your timeline? When will it be open?

We're gonna have to shoot for probably the 1st of July now. The carts come from Italy and there's some shipping issues still, believe it or not.

Sounds great.

You gotta get the right shipping company, but that's okay.

Thanks.

That's what Dave does.

Thank you. Thank you for bringing this to Orem. I mean, I think I've done the one up north and they're a blast. And very— I mean, it's, it's amazing how much competition can bubble up from that. And it's just a blast. So thank you for bringing us, bringing us to Orem.

I'm kind of a little bit disappointed Tony Cook had a lot more to say when I was trying to get my permit. Yeah, well, thank you.

All right, moving on. We've got item 9.2, a resolution, request for conditional use permit for a pediatric palliative care facility at 370 West 500 North for Brady's Place. Jason, if you'd like to—

Thank you, Mayor.

For whatever reason, my computer decided to die tonight, so I don't have a presentation. We're trying to pull it up. This is Becky Oakley. She's the owner and operator of the Braids Place.

Can we get him a new computer?

Exactly.

We have some budget.

I can find that in the budget.

Braids Place palliative care facility— the council has discussed this about a month and a half ago by creating the ordinance. She's here tonight coming from the Planning Commission as a recommendation from them. for a conditional use permit. There's nothing that's changed since we've come last time. They're going to have 28— up to 28 individuals 18 years and younger. They will have some daily care that some citizens that live in the community can come there and get some treatment and then go home that night, or they have different variants of variables of staying overnight or a few, you know, respite, those types of things. So 24 parking stalls. Nothing really, nothing has changed. We're just— she's here to recommend or request the conditional use permit and be glad to address any questions. But as we presented a month and a half ago, there's no, no change, and just here tonight to go through that process for the conditional use permit.

Do we have any questions?

I mean, nothing's changed, right?

So, Debbie, I just want to say thank you. I think When I've heard your proposal, I think this is a great thing for families, for these pediatric patients. And if we are Family City USA, which we are trying to be, I think any services we can to support families is a great idea. So I commend you, and we wish you the best of luck, and I hope it goes really well.

Thank you.

Thank you for your staff being so great to work with. It's been a— they've been fantastic. So thank you.

And I just want to say, like, that picture— Jason, go back to that where you were— this facility, back when this came up. I don't know how long we've been talking about this.

For a minute.

Yeah, I drove by this place and I am really excited for that neighborhood for you to be there. This is so it will look like this again, you know, these have some activity there and some life to that neighborhood. So thank you for your service.

Yeah.

Any other questions, comments? Okay, I think we're ready for a vote.

I'll make a resolution, or that the City Council resolution requests for a conditional use permit for a pediatric palliative care facility at 370 West 500 North for Brady's Place.

I'll second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Resolution passes.

Thank you so much.

You're welcome. We're looking forward to it.

Thank you.

Let us know when the grand opening is and we'll definitely show up.

Okay, we're up to item 9.3. Public hearing slash resolution adopting the City of Orem fiscal year 2023-2024 tentative budget. Brandon, would you like to present that to us?

All right, I'm having a computer bug as well, so must be something about the day. Um, there we go.

So, uh, I'm borrowing Carson's computer here, so I appreciate Carson, uh, being able to let us use that. Um, so just as we begin, uh, just kind of a, again, a brief overview of the process. Uh, we come to you with the tentative budget tonight. Which, hoping to get your approval for that. As required by state law, we have to come before— on the first council meeting in May, and then we will come back to you in June for a final adoption of the budget. And if there are any changes that need to be— that you request to be made or that we need to make by that point, then obviously we can do that during that meeting. And then that becomes the final budget that we will go forward with beginning in July, on July 1st. So this year our proposed tentative budget amount, as you can see, is $152— just a little over $152 million. Just kind of a review of the things that we've been doing here in the past few months in relation to the creation of the budget and expressing the things that we were— we have been working on and putting together the budget. We started with our council retreat back in January. We've had several work sessions in relation to revenue, compensation, our operations in general related to fleet and our IT infrastructure, as well as just recently our capital projects and capital items that we have in our budget. Some of the budget highlights for this year. So that $152 million is just short of a $12 million increase over the prior fiscal year's budget. The majority of that increase comes from 3 components, which we had previously discussed in our revenue work session, which were sales taxes. And that not only includes the sales tax within the general fund, but of course also includes sales tax related to CARE and sales tax related to our transportation sales tax fund. So all 3 of those components have increased pretty dramatically. An increase in our property tax, not necessarily in our rate, just in the growth growth within the City of Orem, primarily related to the growth related to calendar year 2022, which we see it kind of has a— there's a lag in when we receive the actual dollars in relation to those property taxes and that growth that occurred. Obviously, as you know, 2021 and 2022 are pretty big growth years for Orem. So those pieces, and then obviously the interest rate environment lately has significantly raised. We have the excess funds that the city invests, and those funds have increased dramatically over the past year as those interest rates have, as we all are aware, have risen pretty dramatically since 2021.

This—

the budget also includes obviously our compensation plan related to employees and those both in the merit system as well as those who are either in the STEP program or becoming into the STEP program here in the coming year, as well as accommodations for health insurance cost increases, and as well as we mentioned the fleet and our capital programs. Something new to draw your attention to is that very last item. We have created a new fund this year to keep track of our development fees in accordance with state law and the State Auditor's Office, in order to have those fees all in one place so that we can evaluate and analyze whether or not the, the fee that we charge and the cost of providing that service are matching. The easiest way for us to do that is to create the separate fund so that we can more easily see how we are doing in that regard. And so you'll, you'll see that throughout the presentation, and keep in mind that that's what that fund is really in relation to. Here's just to kind of give you a synopsis or over the last little while in relation to our budgets. As you can see, how it has changed over the past 4 years and grown pretty substantially over that time period. Then give you a kind of a breakdown by fund, so you can kind of have an idea of the magnitude of each fund. relation to the total, that $152 million, and how that breaks down in a revenue capacity, you know, where that, where that revenue really comes from. As you can see, the general fund obviously provides a pretty significant piece of that $152 million. And then this is just kind of giving an idea in relation to our general fund specifically, where the majority of our operations are, to kind of give you a history here over the— this proposed budget in relation to our current fiscal year that we're closing, just about to finish, as well as the prior 2 actual years, to give you an idea of what's been going on with that, those funds in relation to revenues. And then within those revenue sources for the general fund, we have a— give you a breakdown kind of here of where those revenues come from. As you can see, a large portion of it is taxes, primarily sales tax, property tax, and franchise taxes. And there are some other smaller ones, but then we also have a large number obviously, that are in the charges for services category there in the middle, which include a variety of things that obviously we charge fees for that are outside of the development fees that I just referred to. So the miscellaneous, you might notice the, the rather big jump, the miscellaneous includes those interest earnings that I just referred to. So in just case you were wondering. Just to kind of give you a brief history of the sales tax revenues and where those have been and where they're going. We are budgeting just $33.5 million here for the fiscal '24 budget, proposed tentative budget. And as I mentioned, that's in a previous meeting, that's an estimated 1.5% increase over where we believe we'll finish the current fiscal year. And we're hoping, obviously, that it ends up better next year. But, you know, the economy being what it is, we're a little hesitant to really go that route right now. And so, so it's a quite conservative estimate at this point. And obviously, we— if it were to exceed those budgeted revenues, then when I, you You know, as you've been made aware, obviously here in June we come back with usually a transfer to our CIP if we've exceeded the state's ceiling for how much money we can have in reserves. So those sales taxes, generally, if they exceed that 1.5% increase, they fall into that reserve and we end up transferring those dollars to our capital improvement project fund for various projects that we have that we use those funds for. Just an interesting note—

Debbie has a question.

So you said if you think you have a little extra, what happens if we have less? Are you budgeting the full 100% with the expense side, or are you— or will you rely on reserves to cover any sort of shortfalls?

So there's 3 Kind of ways that we do that. Number one, we would evaluate the other revenue sources, right? Perhaps those revenue sources are, are doing okay. Normally, obviously, if sales taxes aren't doing well, some— that usually means a lot of the times our other revenue sources aren't doing very well either. So, but we will look at that first to make sure, you know, depending on what kind of a shortage that might be. Number 2, there is— we do have contingency built into the budget, so there is a little bit of room room for wiggle within the budget that we can accommodate if necessary. And then the third would be we would fall to those reserves that I was just referring to, that ceiling. We would, we would start to use those reserves if necessary for the current year to maybe get us through that particular fiscal year. It's always a possibility that we would amend the budget and potentially have to make cuts of some sort or another. And depending on when that occurs, usually within a fiscal year, right? If the later in the fiscal year you get, then, you know, maybe we can finish out the year where we're at, and then we would make adjustments to our fiscal '25 budget to accommodate for that.

So thank you.

So this 1.5%, um, it'll— so you're being a lot more conservative than Been prior— the prior year.

Yeah, so we're estimating— yeah, sorry, we're estimating the current year to be about 4% increase, which we're above that right now with 4 months to go in the fiscal year that we don't have sales tax revenues for. And so we're hoping we can maintain that 4%. And then, you know, the prior years, the prior 2 years in that I'm not— we're not even gonna talk about those 2 years, were crazy percentage increases. So they're not even, in my opinion, relevant.

Okay, so those were like unanticipated booms, and you're just pulling it back to be more conservative.

You bet.

Okay.

Yep.

We talked a little bit about property tax. You can see that. So the current proposal there from fiscal '23, the current year, to Our proposed budget is approximately a 6.5% increase in that property tax revenue. The '22 to this current year is just about 6%, so it's a little bit of an increase. But again, obviously we believe growth in relation to calendar year, because that's when our property tax is kind of based on— the calendar year '22 year was, was really robust. So we, we're really expecting that, that we're going to have those property tax revenues come in from all, from all the growth that occurred in 2022. Franchise taxes. I just usually bring this up just to give you kind of a mag— so you have a magnitude of how, how much we receive in franchise taxes. These franchise taxes are primarily related to telephone, natural gas and power, and Comcast, so some cable.

So those are the—

and then the city also charges for services for franchise tax as well. And those components make up what this franchise tax is. As you can see, it's been relatively flat for quite some period of time. And that's primarily because the telephone portion is has been doing this, it's been made up for by power costs and natural gas costs, of course, gradually increasing over time. And so, they've been a counterbalance, which has, you know, allowed that franchise tax to basically stay pretty even over time. Any questions about franchise taxes?

So, so how does that work? As far as if you say phones been coming off? That's like landlines, right?

Correct.

But do we get something from cell phones?

We do. And obviously, with competition with cell phones, you know, pricing related to cell phones has been kept at a relative even amount over time. So, but we do receive those same taxes from cell phone, from some cell phone services.

Because it's pretty interesting as far as, I mean, if you look at that sales tax, and it's, I mean, it's 50% higher From 2019, right?

Correct.

Which is huge. But then the franchise tax is almost flat. And then your property tax is kind of going up incrementally, but not terribly. It's just pretty interesting that, that this stays the same. You'd think this would go up a little bit.

You would think, but it— yeah, it's been pretty consistent as far as where it stays. So And we don't— and keep in mind, we don't really have much control. We— that you can see over on the side, the 6%, we're state-mandated. We have state-mandated ceilings we can't go above, and we are at those ceilings. And so we generally don't have any control over how much we're going to get, right? It's all dependent on those entities and how much in sales they have and how much they remit to us in that regard.

So, right.

Another big source, and this year I— it's— you'll notice I have a little small writing underneath business licenses and permits. That's now in the— that's in the general fund. It's always been in the general fund. But you'll notice the one below that, building permits and other related fees, are now in that new fund that I was referring to. But I thought, just for sake here, I put them on the same slide just so we have some frame of reference over a period of time. And you can see business licenses are relatively flat and consistent over time. Building permits and other related fees, you'll notice there's some changes there, but keep in mind we budget very conservatively with building permits. We have a base that we pretty feel pretty comfortable that we can reach. Each year, and if we exceed that, then again talking about money that falls to our reserves that ends up going to our capital projects fund. Any of those that exceed that, we go there. And keep in mind, the majority of things that are— we use our capital projects fund for our street items, you know, traffic stuff and parks. Those are the big things that we end up using those. So, so when we talk about reserves going to capital projects, keep in mind that's where a large portion of those funds are spent. This particular year, obviously, we have a city center, so a lot of those funds are actually going to the city center currently. But in his— if you look back historically, then that's where they've been used historically. I'm just stepping back from the, the general fund for a little bit and just kind of looking back again at the city as a whole on the expenditure side. So we've been discussing revenue. Now we're going to be talking about citywide expenditures and expenditures. And just here, a comparison of our— this budget as opposed to what we adopted last for our '23 budget. You can see that growth, the $11 million plus in growth, and you can see the breakdown in the broad categories, how much is personnel, how much is operations versus capital. So you can see that the ratios stay pretty much the same despite that $11 million in growth. Obviously, the dollar amounts change pretty dramatically, relatively dramatically, but you can see the percentages basically stay the same. Now, this slide basically just breaks down again that prior slide by fund. Just to give an idea of, you know, how does each fund break down in relation to personnel versus operations, and as far as their, you know, the size of the particular funds in relation to the total. So now for the general fund, the additions that we are requesting for the current year. Uniform, the uniform costs continue to keep going up, and so felt it was a good time to be able to, you know, give them a little bit more money to accommodate those increased costs. There's some nursing stuff that happens in relation to when they have a suspect. I believe it's primarily in being able to, on like a DUI type situation, be able to do some medical care. situation where they're able to do a blood draw rather than a breathalyzer and some other things that are like that, where it would be— it's much better to have these contracted nursing entities that can come and take care of that rather than having our police officers do that. We also are bringing in the drone program where we can use drones in particular situations that might be better to use that drone in a safety measure so that our officers isn't put in undue danger. And then over time, obviously, they, they have sought— they have all these software needs, and over time they've been finding ways to cover those costs. And the time has come where they felt— we feel like, you know what, we— as they continue to get more and more technologically need— have needs, then, you know, we need to up the ante. And as far as the amount of money that we're getting, instead of forcing them to have to go scrounge the money from every nook and cranny of their budget. And so there's an item in there to, to kind of accommodate that, those costs as well. And then the last item is same kind of thing, is that we request the police to be at a lot of community events, and they just are having to go find their funds just from wherever they can within their budget. And so we wanted to carve out a specific amount for them to be able to accommodate doing those, doing those community event type things. Fire, same kind of concept as the police uniforms, their turnouts just are getting more and more costly. And so just an amount to try to accommodate those increasing costs. In our development services area, The program— they used to be able to get building codes and be able to share them. And of course, as with most things in software, then they're now requiring that you have multiple accesses to that software. And so we have to buy licensing for each person who needs access to those. And they, they each individually do need access. And so, so we're now having to step into that arena of paying for each of those licenses. licenses and that— and those building codes. We've talked a lot in the past about our Hillcrest Park. Obviously, that's going to need to have some equipment there at the park to be able to take care of it. And so these additional funds are there to be able to accommodate those, those equipment needs. You'll see a little later on an additional, obviously, personnel request for people to handle all of that equipment. And then here at the farmers market, we had a request to, you know, provide maybe some music and some different things in relation to one of those farmers markets, just create a different atmosphere there. So there's a little bit of money been set aside to be able to accommodate and see what we can do in that arena in relation to the farmers market.

farmers market.

And then the last thing is in our library, we have a desire to have a leadership database where we can go and get different information on different leadership, whether they be books or podcasts or whatever that might be, so that we can use those. And then we will also be able to use that as part of the public, for the public to use as well. So there's a request to be able to access that database of leadership materials. And then, as far as personnel, we talked about the top 2 items are the Hillcrest Park crew leader as well as technician there. And then we also have a need, as we've talked about, cybersecurity and different things that we're paying attention to within our IT. And I noticed they're not, they're not in the general fund, but I thought I'd just mention them here since they have a high usage rate within the general fund. But, and then we also have a need for a GIS person to administer all of our GIS components throughout the city, as we rely pretty heavily nowadays on, on GIS information.

Do these include their fringe benefits?

Yes, that's combined.

Okay.

Salary and benefits, yes. As we've talked in a prior meeting, just a synopsis again, just a reminder of our fleet replacement. Total cost of $2.9 million, or just over $2.9 million, and kind of a breakdown of what those apparatuses are that we're needing in relation to vehicles. And then kind of then at the bottom there, how those break down between our general fund and the other funds of the city. Within our streets, there are 2 major funds that we use to provide street maintenance. There are B&C road funds that we receive when you go and purchase gas. We receive those an excise tax from that, and then the new transportation sales tax fund that's part of our sales tax rate. And those, you can see kind of the breakdown of how they intend to spend those tax dollars on as far as the different projects. And for the most part, we use the same funds for the same things each year. You'll notice the second to the bottom one this year, the Lakeview Parkway project, is new for this year, and we'll be seeding some money there to be able to get that project completed when it comes up. And that's a— I think, I believe that's a MAG-related project. And so just to give you an idea of kind of the kind of streets, the reason we have such good streets, and here's a big piece, a big reason why, is because of these dedicated funds to that purpose.

I have a question for Chris. Is 950 North in here, Chris?

I was going to mention that in the pre-meeting today when, when Lynnae Millett reported on the Public Works Advisory Commission. One of the things that we do in coordination with all of our capital facility projects that are going on in the city. Is we coordinate the surface improvements that are required with the utilities that are underneath the surface in that street. So the short answer is no, 950 North is not in there.

This is for '24, next year.

It is going to be as soon as we can. Right now we are focused on the water tank project, the booster station and the well, and the utilities associated with that in that area that will be built in the next 2 years.

The—

we've determined that we have about $500,000 to about $700,000 of utility needs in that street from 950 North from 4th East to 8th East. We cannot proceed with that street reconstruction until we get those utilities in, and we don't have the tank and other portions of that project completely funded yet. And so we feel it would be wise for us to hold off on that until, until we have those utilities in place. However, we can do some, some minor street improvements that could help with the road if there's any settling that's been occurring, any soft spots and so forth. We can over-excavate some of those areas and reconstruct portions of that as needed.

So, okay.

All right. Thank you, Chris.

Can I just add one thing with Ryan? We are doing— I just want to kind of clarify because we had discussions about this, the sidewalk curb and gutter along 400 West in the 1600 North area, just to kind of say that, that we are working on that. That's on the schedule now for the residents there to know, correct?

Correct. And it's already funded in last year's budget, so we are planning on doing that and it's in design right now.

Do a timeline for people?

The hope is October construction when the water's out of the irrigation ditch, and then we may have to pave it in the spring, but we would get the concrete in this fall. Okay, is the goal.

Okay, thank you. I just want to say thank you, thank you, because they've been waiting for that in that area.

Thanks.

Okay, moving on to our debt service fund. The debt service fund accommodates any kind of debt that is generally in relation to our general fund, which primarily right now are— there's 3, well, 4 pieces that are primarily in there. Our way of a 2014 GO bond was a refunding bond from a 2005 and 2006 GO bonds, and then we have, of course, the 2019 GO bonds that built Library Hall and the fitness center, and then There is a Siemens lease loan that we did a whole slew of improvements in relation to energy improvements throughout the city, primarily street lighting, but there were some other things as well here in this building. And that, that lease is being paid for in part through the debt service fund. And then the last item, of course, is the Utopia element that we are continuing to pay each year. And you can see, obviously, it's continuing to rise and fall with— keep in mind, bond payments aren't like your home loan, they don't gradually go down like you would a normal loan, because they're all dependent on bondholders and how those bondholders purchased bonds in particular groupings. So sometimes you may have a year where it's a pretty light bond. There are not a lot of bonds that were purchased for that particular year, and so the payments for that particular year may actually be less than in other years. So, so just keep that in mind as you see that. Any questions about the debt service fund?

Okay.

And then we have a lot of several internal service funds. Internal service funds are general group that primarily services, as it mentions, inside the city. So our fleet, right, they are fleet folks. They are— they don't work outside of the city. They are helping those, all of us within the city. All of these items are that same way. They're all within our city, and we've sent them out in their own funds so that we can do a better job of being able to allocate their costs to the people who use them and the things that they're— like in the case of insurance, who is they— who are they covering, right? They're covering buildings or they're covering vehicles. So we have a better ability to allocate their costs specifically to those entities that use those services. Then we start to get into our enterprise funds. The water fund, you can kind of see a history there of the revenue sources, a breakdown of their—

how they—

how their proposed budget is proposed to be spent. And then over on the right-hand side, you can kind of— you can see the proposed increase to our base rate, as well as I've listed the Tier 1 usage rate increase as well. And then there are some other rate increases for the other tiers, but they— I think they were also 1 cent. So it's 1 cent for Tier 1, I believe it's 1 cent for Tier 2, and 2 cents for both Tier 3 and Tier 4. Any questions with the water fund? Just to give you an idea how we compare to other cities, either of our size or in our area. You can see from a water fee perspective, we are pretty low in comparison, which is not a bad thing, but just to give you an idea. And keep in mind, we, we did our best to talk to these other cities, either by going and seeing what they've listed as their current rate But I'm also trying to ask them, hey, do you have any planned increases for your budget? A lot of the times they're not necessarily very forthcoming about telling us what they're going to do for their upcoming budget. So, so a lot of these rates that you see for other cities are what they currently are at. Our rate at $4,782 would be our estimate using our proposed rates. So, so just keep that in mind as well.

Which, in summary, is We're rocking it on the water cost to our citizens, right?

Correct.

That is right.

It's—

there's no comparison. So very good for them.

And this did include the 15% that we went down the previous year, and this is just the very—

Yes, correct.

So that was a boon.

So then water reclamation, otherwise known as sewer.

The—

you can see again the revenues for the sewer fund and then the breakdown on the left-hand side.

The—

on the right-hand side over there, the sewer base rate is proposed to increase a small amount, not even 1%, and the volume charge is also proposed to increase just a little bit over 1% for the current year. And again, kind of a comparison of the sewer rates across the valley, and you can see we fare quite well, especially with our neighbors to the south. And so just to kind of give you an idea of, again, where we fall in with those rates.

Do these cities— do they base their Rates on their usage? Yeah, I mean, we do that.

Do these guys?

It's so interesting that they're so different.

Yeah, and a lot of the times, obviously, it depends on where they're in, like especially the Salt Lake ones. They, they have sewer districts that they deal with, which can play a different, a bigger impact than those who have city-owned facilities. So sometimes that matters. Apparently Chris wants to talk to that. So yeah, if I could.

So You notice that Provo is at the very top there, and that's because they are in the process of constructing about a $200 million expansion on their plant for these new regulated requirements that are unfunded. And so what you will see over time in the near future is that each one of these are going to approach what you see in Provo. Orem will be one of those as well. So, Tia, any, any Any city that's a part of TSSD or any of these other ones that was a part of Salt Lake City and so forth, their rates are going to be going up quite dramatically as a result of the water quality requirements that are imposed.

Thanks, Chris. I wanted to throw Provo under the bus, man. All right, storm sewer.

So stormwater.

So again, kind of a short history of the revenues over the proposed and over the past few years and a breakdown on the left. And we're proposing a 2.5% increase to go from $8 to $8.20, and this continues to follow the master plan for stormwater as until such time as obviously we have a new stormwater plan and Which it'll be reevaluated at that point. And again, stormwater comparison for various cities that we either compare to or are here in the valley. And our recreation fund, as you can see, we continue to improve and And Bryce and his team continue to do great things at the recreation center as we continue to look for ways to improve operations, increase revenues, get more pass sales. And then over to the right-hand side, I've kind of identified, you know, the growth in both our admissions and passes, as well as particularly the classes. I think that's really great that we've been able to really increase the number of classes and the amount of participation coming in through those, those sources.

I was gonna— I was commenting to Councilman Spencer, we remember when recreation was about a $400,000 drain on our general fund. So what an amazing turnaround, and congratulations to Bryce and those who helped plan this. Wonderful facility.

Yeah, and thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, there is no subsidy, if you will, being placed in the recreation fund for the, for the current year. So, and it was even at a time, right, it was about $800,000, it was approaching at one point. And so, yeah, so that was of course right before we closed down.

So, you know.

But it's really a double win, right? Because if you compare the facility that we had before, and the services that were offered, and it was costing us $800 grand a year. So now we have a state-of-the-art facility, and it's actually carrying itself.

So yeah.

That's awesome, right?

Yeah.

It's always good to see when you plan for something and it actually turns out the way you planned it.

It's always great.

Or better.

Yeah.

When you make a promise and Bryce and staff deliver on that promise.

Yeah.

Give the man a raise.

Solid waste fund or garbage. So, you know, this is basically a pass-through from our waste management and our contract with them. And then you can see that, you know, we've had— and Brandon has alluded to the issues that we've had with trying to go for renewal and been able to keep costs at a relatively low rate in relation to that. And so you can kind of get an idea of what we've been able to do, but, you know, still a relatively decent increase despite, you know, our best efforts, but it would be much higher without those efforts. So, and then just to give you an idea of what those changes in the rates will look like in relation to first can, second can, recycling, and green waste rates. And then, you know, you can see the change in what those rates are, as well as an overall combined rate, you know, and that's pretty dang good considering obviously where inflation has been and whatnot. So, so kudos to Brandon and our I believe— I don't know if Chris was involved in that, but primarily Brent and Carson, I believe, did quite a bit of stuff in that evaluation as well. So this next one kind of shows you where we fall in relation to solid waste, and we're kind of right there, somewhat right in the middle of the pack, which is an okay place to be. Can't be the best in everything. And then an overall golf clap, right, for our total utilities. When you add all of those up, kind of where we fall in relation to everybody else.

I do have a question. I know Provo has their own power, so if we combine Rocky Mountain Power and Provo Power, would we still be pretty low? Or do they have better rates than we do because they have their own power plant? Do you know?

I have no idea.

Okay, I'll ask my friends.

So questions?

Does that last slide take into account—

say again?

Does that last slide take into account, I mean, deducting out what's being charged for power and No, this has nothing, no power.

There's no power in there, any of that.

That's nothing. That's apples to apples.

Correct.

Water, sewer, stormwater, garbage.

That's a great slide.

Yep.

Okay, I have a comment.

Yes, go ahead.

So as we're going through all of this, and I'm thinking to myself, every one of those departments We are so blessed. You know, I was just the other day, I was— we were at some friend's home in a neighboring city. I won't say which city, but I went and got a glass of water out of the tap and it was not Orem water. I mean, not only are our rates amazing, but the water tastes better. And again, as was stated with the rec center, with, with every one of these departments, departments. It's— thank you to everyone for the work that you do in making our city so amazing. And Brandon, I want to say thank you to you as well. I really appreciate your approach to this and your conservative nature in making sure that even if things don't go as we think they will, you've still got a contingency plan in place. And I really appreciate your, your approach to this because these numbers are really, really important.

You're welcome.

So thank you.

Any other questions?

So I remember when I was on council, we hit $100 million and that was a milestone. And wow, $152 million in just a few years. So thanks to people who shop at Orem. Thanks for Great citizens of our community, as I feel like we've, we really improved our overall financial income and ability to provide great service here in the city. So congratulations to your staff, and I echo what Jeff said. We have great police, fire, public works, library, you name it. We have excellent people who are continuing to make a good place to live.

Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'd like to, you know, Trevor Bell, who couldn't be here tonight, but huge, huge help in getting this budget put together. So I got to give kudos to, to him for, for doing that, because he's been, you know, those people we talk about behind supporting us, and he was one of those people in relation to this budget. So I want to give a shout out to him as well.

Okay, thank you, Brandon. We'll go ahead and open up. Oh, Brent.

If I can just say quickly, completely echo all of the things, and in my mind jokingly I'm thinking maybe we should have charged an extra $4 on all of those utilities and we'd still be the lowest. But in all seriousness, what that really kind of shows is that our staff, our finance staff, Your OREM staff, down to the penny, you know, tries to be conservative and fiscally conscientious in providing these critical, important services to our citizenry. And truly, it's additional little evidence that we're grateful for the resources that you as our governing body and, of course, the support of our citizens that provide so that we can have such a great standard of life.

Thank you.

Living here in Orem.

And, and it's easy to say different things, but when the budget matches what you're saying, then you really have something. So we're doing a great job. Can we open— we'll open up for any public comments. Okay, we'll close the public comments. And essentially what this is, is this is our tentative budget. And so we will be continuing the process to wind up with a permanent budget, but for now we, we need to pass this tentative budget. So somebody like to make a resolution?

Mayor, can I, can I jump in real quick?

Sorry.

We're also required as part of passing the tentative budget to set a date for the public hearing to consider the final approval of the budget.

Okay.

And, and also basically a direction from the council ordering us to publish notice of that hearing in accordance with state law. So I don't know if Brandon has that date. I'm sure you did probably do in the resolution, but it probably should be a part of the motion as well.

Can you tell us what that date is?

June 13th.

June 13th.

I'll make a motion, Mayor. The City Council, by resolution adopting the City of Orem fiscal year 2023-24 tentative budget and schedule a public hearing, public hearing on June 13th, 2023.

To consider passage of the final—

Consider passage of the final budget.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

The resolution passes. Thank you, Brandon. And thank you for all your good work. We're up to item 9.4. We've got a resolution notifying Utah County of Orem's intent to submit opinion questions to Orem voters regarding renewal of the CARE tax. And Steve, would you like to present that?

Yeah, Mayor and City Council, um, we're coming up on the time when we need to Make a decision as to whether we want to renew the CARE tax and to submit that question on the renewal of the CARE tax to the voters. And as a preliminary step to doing that, state law requires us to enact a resolution informing Utah County of our intent to put that question on the ballot once again. And then they, they essentially, once we do that, they have 60 days to reply to us. Either they do or they don't. And once we get that reply back, we can take the next step of passing a resolution, basically putting the CARES tax question back on the, on the ballot for the voters to decide. But again, this resolution, the proposed resolution, is just fulfilling that state law requirement of notifying the county of our intent to put that on the ballot in the future.

So can I make a motion, or do we need to have Public?

No, we can just make a motion.

Okay, so I make a motion that we approve the resolution of notifying Utah County of Orem's intent to submit opinion questions to Orem voters regarding the renewal of CARE tax.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Resolution passes. Thank you, Steve. Okay, next we've got item 10, communication.

Items.

We don't have anything else we need to go through on that. We've got item 11, City Manager information items.

Yes, just want to invite you and actually anyone that still happens to still be with us from the public to celebrate Orem's 104th birthday that took place on May 4th. So yes, the City of Orem has been around for 104 years. And then as part of that, we'll also celebrate Councilmember Lamson's birthday from May 3rd.

And I have not been around for 104 years. I just want to make that point.

No matter what they say.

No matter what they say.

You don't look a day over 60.

So that'll just be in the council conference room here.

Okay, thank you. All right.

Okay, can I make a motion? Yes, I make a motion that we adjourn to a meeting of the Orem Redevelopment Agency. Second. Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

We'll adjourn to the next meeting. And those of you that are still left have a choice. You can stay. And get the refreshments. Or, you know, so it's a, you know, cost-benefit kind of thing.

Oh my gosh.

All right. Okay. Moving on. So we've got our RDA consent items. Yes, let's just make—

I'd like to make a motion that we approve the RDA meeting minutes.

Second.

Aye.

I also approve the June 14, 2022 minutes.

Oh yeah.

Aye.

Okay, the minutes are approved. Okay, moving on. We've got the RDA scheduled items. We've got a public hearing resolution adopting the Redevelopment Agency of the City of Warham fiscal year '23-'24 tentative budget.

Brandon, hope you don't have 31 slides on this one.

No, we also don't have a computer, so we've— okay, yeah, we've got our 3rd strike on a computer now.

So, so you're required to do this like pantomime.

I'm just going to read. You're just going to have to envision what this might look like.

Isn't it?

And so, our redevelopment agency, which consists of several older RDA areas, as well as the CDA area down at the Mall, which is now the only active RDA area, that area down there, and the other RDA areas, we may receive some, some minor/past-due tax increment dollars in relation to them, but for the most part it's the CDA down at the— in the mall area. And the proposed budget for the combined RDA is $1,665,000. That is an increase over the current FISC estimate for the current Fiscal year of $1,564,000. Obviously, as they continue— Woodbury continues to build the stuff around the mall— that those tax dollars related to that area are going to continue to go up, and we're going to, going to continue to receive RDA tax increment dollars back to the city, which under our agreement with Woodbury, 90% of those tax dollars dollars go back to them to help them cover the debt that they used to put the infrastructure in, in those areas. 5% is held by the city as an administrative fee, and another 5% is actually maintained within the RDA fund that will be used for future infrastructure and/or other needs that are in that— within that CDA area.

So it has to be— the other 5% has to into that CDA area?

It does, yes.

And are there current needs we're aware of now?

No, there are not anything that I'm aware of. So those will be ident— when those are identified, then we identify that there's funds available within the fund that could help cover those things.

So, Brandon, what year are we in this? I know we extended it during COVID Are we year 3, 4?

Uh, of the CDA? I believe this is year 5. I think it's year 5.

And then it was 20, but we extended it 2 years.

So yes, 22. Correct.

Yes. So 5 of 22. Okay, thank you.

Yep.

So any questions about the RDA in general? Okay.

And that number that you gave us, what was the budget number?

$1,665,000.

So that $1,665,000, that represents essentially property taxes that we are not collecting?

Yeah, that the entities pay pay to the county, and then the county does all their calculations related to our RDA, and then sends us the tax increment related to those specific dollars that are, you know, because what that— how it works, right, is when they start that CDA for the RDA, they set an amount. Here's the value, right? And then as it increased, the value increases over that time, the tax related to that increase is what goes to the RDA and then is then refunded to them.

So I have a question. With their new hotel coming on, was that originally figured in, or—

That—

yes, that's part of the— that was part of the plan. Yes. And obviously, that'll continue to increase that tax element as it comes in as well.

Okay.

So, so the original number for the RDA for Orem's part was around $15 million. Is that right?

I'm not sure what that was.

You know, can you, can you ask that again?

Yeah, just the original when they did the projections on the RDA cost, was Orms' number $15 million or $9 million?

For University Place?

Yeah.

I remember our position was $9 million.

I thought the overall was around $52 million with all 6 or 5 taxing agencies. I can pull up the budget and I can find out.

It's $9 million.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is I thought the whole thing was $62 million. I thought our cut was $15 million, but I could be very wrong.

Yeah, I can pull the project budget up and we should place bets on this, but here in a moment.

Over-under.

But what my question is, I just haven't memorized, but it's been a while. And what my question is, I'm just curious how this $1.6 million in year 5 ties to whatever the number was originally.

To the projection? Yeah, I can pull that projection out here.

I think I've got it.

I can—

give me a second, I'll look it up.

Okay, and there's no rush.

I'm just curious.

So anyway.

Well, so it's— anyway, we got it, we got it up on the screen, kind of the breakdown of the $1.6 million. You can see the University Place CDA incentive amount there based on the $1.6 million. And the 2, uh, 5% for the future projects and the contributions to other funds, which is our admin fee. And then the other project area totals is the $315 million. That's the old RDA component. So those, those RDAs, the only one that really has any money left in those old RDAs is 8503B, which I know that doesn't mean anything to anybody, but, uh, that's basically One of the RDAs down on the Parkway, and so they have— there's some money left available for them if there's some infrastructure or other things that we can do that fall under the RDA eligibility down in that particular area. Okay, that's all I've got.

Okay, any, any other questions? What do you think of the city staff like to participate in the public hearing? Yeah, okay, we're going to open this public hearing and we're going to close the public hearing.

Sweet.

Yes, and can I interject again? I think same thing as we did before on the last one as far as June 13th dates, the dates, same, I'm assuming.

Okay, I'd like to make a motion. That we adopt— and of the resolution also— that we adopt the Redevelopment Agency of the City of Orem fiscal year 2023-2024 tentative budget to be reheard at a meeting on June 13th.

Yeah, and schedule a public hearing for June 13th to approve the final budget.

June 13th to include the final budget.

Yeah.

I'll second that. Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Resolution passes.

Okay. Thank you, Mayor.

Before you close the meeting for the RDA, I show that in the model we were— it should have captured about $2.6 million in year 5, and Brandon's figures are looking at about $1.2 million. So based on that, we're behind, but We also had COVID kick in for 2 of those first 5 years, and that was never anticipated in the model. So that slowed down development of the project. By now, the hotel would have been done as well as other facets of that project. So the build-out hasn't happened as quickly as anticipated due to COVID.

Well, does your model show what the number was, the total—

$9 million.

—contribution?

I only have up a certain slide that shows me the overall of all the taxing entities together.

And what was that number?

$52 million.

I have to add it up because I just show it every year. It's in a graphic. So I've got to go find the actual budget and I can pull that number out.

Okay.

I'll get it to you after the meeting.

Okay, great. Thanks.

Okay.

Who wants to adjourn?

I move that we adjourn to the Orem Special Service Lighting District.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, we adjourn to the next meeting. Item 16.1, and this is very simple. This is consent items.

It's—

well, it's consent items, so it's approval of the SSLD meeting minutes. For June 14, 2020.

I'll make a motion that we approve the Special Service Lighting District meeting minutes of June 14, 2022.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

The consent items are approved. Let's go to item 17.1, public hearing resolution adopting the Special Service Lighting District of the City of Warren. Fiscal year '23, 2023-2024 tentative budget. Brandon.

All right, so the Street Lighting Service District, special district here, is a separate entity of the city, is just similar to the RDA. And the streetlight fee that we charge on our utility bill to all the customers go into this fund to primarily pay for for the maintenance of the streetlight poles and power relating to all of the streetlights throughout the city. As a kind of a little bit of a history, the street lighting fund began when we started replacing all of the Rocky Mountain Power poles with the nice poles that we have now, and there are 2 bonds, 2 lease revenue bonds that were issued in order to pay for all those. They ran out of money to actually get all of those poles done. And so, and all of the fees were going to be— there was a fee set that would be charged over the term, which I believe was 18 years of the bonds. And so those bonds have expired and been paid off, and that was about to 5 years ago, and we gradually started converting as— because everybody started paying at a different time based on when their particular area got the new poles placed in their area. So some may have started in 2000, some may have started in 2002, etc. And so as those came off, then we realized we need to have a way to maintain those poles. So we've, we've now instituted a new fee to maintain those poles and continue to pay for the power on those poles. And we are now fully into the maintenance mode as all of those past bond-related fee— that bond-related fee is now gone and a new lower streetlight maintenance fee is in place. You can see the breakdown related to how much we receive in street lighting fees and various other components related to those fees. And then basically here's how the streetlights— street lighting fund spends those revenues in relation to power. I mentioned the energy saving lease that we had then entered into while back with Siemens to replace all of the— primarily the light bulbs with LED light bulbs rather than the old style ones. And so they pay for a port— all of, all of the improvement related to that change, that energy savings. And then obviously the $786,000 goes towards continuing to maintain and operate those at the pool.

themselves.

And that's all I have. Any questions?

Weren't there some poles on Main Street or State Street that needed to be replaced? Would they be coming out of this fund? And is that, is that correct, Chris? Weren't there some we needed to still install?

Thank you.

That's correct. So we did, we did replace about 100 lights south of Center Street on State Street. We have since done about 3 or 4 lighting districts that are, that weren't directly associated with the street lighting fund, because they were actually created, those lighting districts were created with neighborhoods in conjunction with Rocky Mountain Power. Back in the day, it was Pacificor, or whoever it was at the time, Utah Power and Light. And then those lighting districts are now coming off. And so those will be off in the next 3 years, 2 to 3 years. We just started the phase 4 this year for that. There's another phase that will be coming up as well.

So after that, will the whole city be done? Or still have more areas?

The whole city will be done. And then what we're looking at— this, the fee that Brandon mentioned, is strictly for operating and maintaining what we have today. Some of the poles in place were installed in about 2001. Some are being installed today. So, as you can imagine, we're not going to replace all of them all at once, but we will have a phased approach over time. You know, the projected life of the poles are probably around 40, 50 years until we need to look at either replacing or doing some major renovation of those poles. So that'll be for a future Public Works director.

All right, thank you so much.

Thank you.

If we could get people to stop running into the poles with their vehicles, that would be very helpful as well.

Any other questions? Okay, who would like to— well, we need a public comment. We'll open up the public hearing. We'll close the public hearing. Would someone like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting?

To adjourn or to adopt this?

Adopt.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I can make the motion to adopt.

Yes, do that.

I move that by resolution we adopt the special service Lighting District of the City of Orem for this year, 2023-2024 tentative budget with the—

And, and set the public hearing date to June 3rd. Consider the final adoption of the budget for June 13th.

Yeah, and consider the final adoption for June 13th at a public hearing.

Second.

Aye.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. The resolution passes. Now we'll adjourn to the next meeting.

Make a motion that we adjourn to the meeting of the Orem Municipal Building Authority.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, we'll adjourn.

Now we'll open—

okay.

Oh, Jeff, did you want to say something?

No.

Okay, consent items. All right.

Oh, for the MBA?

Well, we got to say what it is.

Stop.

MBA consent.

Slow down. Patience. It's only item number 19.

Oh geez.

Okay. Approval of the MBA meeting minutes. Approval of the Municipal Building Authority minutes for June 14, 2022. Somebody like to make a motion?

I make a motion that we approve the Municipal Building Authority meeting minutes of June 14, 2022.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

We approve those minutes.

And finally, I make a motion that we adjourn.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

I said aye.

I know.

Okay, we'll adjourn.

Thank you, Mayor. Miss Councilman Spencer was correct.

Yeah, so thank you very much.

Oh, which number? The $9 million?

Yeah, I know, it's $9.57 or something. Yeah, we're not on the record, so if the model